[Book Spoilers] Oberyn introduction

[Chebyshov]

is there really no hope of seeing either Willas or Garland at all in the series? Mayhaps the present Tyrells are considered sufficient plotwise, but I'd love to see a Tyrell expansion on the series - and a look at Highgarden. The fan art produced is inspiring.

There is no hope. Tywin called Loras the "heir to Highgarden" last season

[Khal Pod]

it was great to finally see some more talk of Rhaegar and Lyanna in the show too.

[Boggsy Cyvasse]

I found this. Posted it in GoT General, but thought since I saw discussion of Oberyn's

Pen-Pal Willas

, that you guys might want to see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf6oDup2VGA

Check out 3:25 into the video. Look who has a quill, ink well, and parchment all set up! Would like to see that little correspondence given light on screen, but maybe I'm a bit hopeful.

[Ser Desmond Wine's Bane]

I found this. Posted it in GoT General, but thought since I saw discussion of Oberyn's

Pen-Pal Willas

, that you guys might want to see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf6oDup2VGA

Check out 3:25 into the video. Look who has a quill, ink well, and parchment all set up! Would like to see that little correspondence given light on screen, but maybe I'm a bit hopeful.

Thanks for that link - I think that is one of the better explanatory videos they have released.

[Koi No Yokan]

I'd be more inclined to believe it's Doran he's writing too.

[Boggsy Cyvasse]

I'd be more inclined to believe it's Doran he's writing too.

^ If I was a betting man, my money would be on that prediction. Like Chebyshov said, Loras has been called the Heir to Highgarden in the show, it's pretty unlikely that they'll renege on that statement. Still, I would have liked to hear about Willas or Garlan, though... Though I understand it could make House Tyrell's story more convoluted.

@Ser Desmond- my pleasure, man. Yeah, this is the most new footage and character-talk I've seen since "A Foreshadowing"

[Rhoynar]

I still dont understand how these 2 lannister soldiers had the balls to insult a prince. They where even willing to grab their swords and kill him. Even if they did manage to kill him ,imagine the concflicts it would cause.

They didn't know he was a prince, they just knew he was a Dornishman.

[Clariana]

I found this. Posted it in GoT General, but thought since I saw discussion of Oberyn's

Pen-Pal Willas

, that you guys might want to see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf6oDup2VGA

Check out 3:25 into the video. Look who has a quill, ink well, and parchment all set up! Would like to see that little correspondence given light on screen, but maybe I'm a bit hopeful.

Thanks for that. How many other characters have we seen writing, Tywin, Talisa... It's a tell that the character has an intellectual bent. Bet he's writing his weekly report to Doran.

[CrypticWeirwood]

You've got a fantastic sense of humour. Eggsellent.

Thanks.

I still wonder about the hand-in-flame thing was all about though.

[TheBlackViper]

He killed Lord Yronwood in the books, after sleeping with Lord Yronwood's paramour and fighting with a poisoned blade

Kasporio, Oberyn joined a sellsword company, hr didnt found one.

He joined the Second Sons and after he founded his own company.

[TheBlackViper]

Thanks.

I still wonder about the hand-in-flame thing was all about though.

The first thing that came to my mind when I saw it in the trailer was Quentyn. Could this be a little nod to the future?

[TheBlackViper]

Thanks for that. How many other characters have we seen writing, Tywin, Talisa... It's a tell that the character has an intellectual bent. Bet he's writing his weekly report to Doran.

"Beloved brother,

Joffrey is dead. Poisoned. It wasn't me, I swear.

Lots of love,

Oberyn."

[Jaqen H'Ghar Is The Doctor]

So yeah Oberyn is perfect cast and

It is gonna suck just as bad as it did in the books for him to die.

I think this might be the most perfect casting so far next to Tyrion and Jaqen

[Stannis Bannerman]

So I loved all his scenes. Brilliantly written...

and what the hell? Did the showrunners attend some LGTB sensitivity training or do they just not like Loras and Renly but love Oberyn? We finally got a male/male scene that was not insulting or unnecessary. It was... fuck. It was the manliest gay scene in the history of television. :leer:

I'm as straight as a longbow arrow yet I felt that that interaction between those two was incredibly sexy! Stranger save me! Overall I loved Oberyn's intro.

[ambi76]

And truly, what better place to insert Loras’s forlorn lament than at said flirtation? I’m speaking of the line that in the books Loras delivered to Tyrion, but which could here be used to rebuff the (already buff enough) Prince:

“When the sun has set, no candle can replace it.”

Well, maybe not exactly those words, but I had a similar idea where during "flirting" Oberyn comes up with something like "All flowers must bow before the sun" from the books and Loras can answer with something like: "Sorry, but my sun has already set, (so fuck off)."

[Lady Fevre Dream]

Well, maybe not exactly those words, but I had a similar idea where during "flirting" Oberyn comes up with something like "All flowers must bow before the sun" from the books and Loras can answer with something like: "Sorry, but my sun has already set, (so fuck off)."

Great combination of dialogue. :bowdown:

And, a good Fuck Off from Loras. The poor guy does deserve to mourn his Renly. They weren't bad in season one, but after that, I'm not sure what the hell D&D were trying to do. I missed the Robert clone, in strength, that Renly was supposed to be, and after all, Loras is supposed to be a very talented knight and horseman. It's a travesty what they've done to those two.

[Ahri Adaran]

For Oberyn if the Unsullied are already calling him Inigo Martell then the showrunners have done their duty.

For Renly and Loras yeah, I just don't know what to think about them, with Loras obsessing about clothes in that wedding planning scene with Sansa I was just shaking my head...

[WakeTheDragon]

Yep he killed it. Pretty much the opposite of the new Daario.

[Kenyatta]

Well, I was NOT impressed with Oberyns debut.

I think they missed a chance here to really show how dangerous a man he is, instead opting for the "daily dose of sex", this time mixed with some action. Which kind of lost the focus, imo. Instead we now know he has appetites and his lover as well.

I was more impressed by his talk with Tyrion afterwards than how he dealt with the two soldiers. I really hope the next episodes focuses more on this aspect.

I finally figured it out, meaning why the show welcoming party was more subdued than the book welcoming party and it's this:

Peter Dinklage is more handsome and charismatic Tyrion than the book Tyrion. So having him on horseback with an escort wouldn't convey the "insult" that it should be. So in order for this to come off as it should, we get Tyrion, Bronn, and Pod standing by a tree picking their asses. That is the only thing that makes sense as to why this scene was so dumbed down. The non-book reading audience wouldn't get it.

And this Oberyn doesn't come close to the book Oberyn that's in my head. I'll say it again. Oberyn Martell isn't just deadly in deed...he's deadly in seeming. Just like when you see a real viper...you know immediately that it's not to be fucked with. You don't wait to see it kill something and say "Oh yeah, that thing is dangerous!"

[SheRa Seastar]

Why upon entering the room with the two Lannister soldiers and their brace of conies did Oberyn casually run his right hand through the rather large candle flame?

• He was showing (off) that he could endure pain unflinchingly.
• He was demonstrating that the Dornish are accustomed to great heat.
• He was proving that the Blood of the Dragon runs strongly in him, conferring greater resistance to heat than which in other mortals obtains.
• He wanted the flame to kindle his own long-smoldering rage at House Lannister.
• He wanted to dry off his sweaty palm so he could draw quickly at need, where said sweat came of manhandling Olyvar, namesake of the Prince’s own dead brother.
• Pick more than one of the above. :)

Regarding any prospects of a hot pillow-biting scene between Oberyn and Loras, there was an interview with Finn Jones in which when asked if he’d get any more hot sex scenes this season, he lamented that there was not, but that there was a bit of risqué flirtation along those lines.

And truly, what better place to insert Loras’s forlorn lament than at said flirtation? I’m speaking of the line that in the books Loras delivered to Tyrion, but which could here be used to rebuff the (already buff enough) Prince:

“When the sun has set, no candle can replace it.”

You missed one......

7. Cos it looked cool.

There you go :-D