Mikkel Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I've read comments saying that Catelyn is worse than Ramsay. That person was either trolling (ie, an idiot) or suffering from a mental illness then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Oh ok my apologies for the mix up then. I obviously don't know Martin's feelings on him, it's just speculating on my part. No worries, my post did look quite confrontational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Because varys fucking sucks I don't dislike Varys as much as I dislike the people who think he's some omniscient god. As of right now, we don't have a reason to believe that other people aren't playing the game just as well as he is, if not better. I'll really dislike Varys though if (when) something happens to Tommen :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Nictarion, Martin is making Stannis fight Lannisters first, and then Bolton and Freys. How can you say Martin is not expecting love for the character? He delivers a red wedding, and later puts Stannis against this guys.If it was not enough, he is making Jon to cheer for, advice, and help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 -helped Aerys into an early grave -made no attempt to save Elia and her son (he mentioned that his little birds witnessed the scene of her death) -raised a kid to believe that he is the son of a dead prince in order to start a war -sold a young girl to a horselord (letting her to be raped) so, do you only like characters who are moral virgins? I don't think people like the characters they like on the basis of the characters' being good people. I like Varys (a lot) and don't give a shit about any of those things you mention (as it pertains to my reasons for liking him, which relate to how I like the way he thinks and the design of his strategy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Nowhere near 90% against her. I'd say it's about an even 50-50 on here, while in the broader public, she's the favorite of nearly everyone. The broader public are show watchers, I'm talking about book readers. And yes, 90% was an exaggeration, but not by much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To catch a Lannister Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Because varys fucking sucks E-ro goin HAM right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I figured you'd like Varys since he's the one person we can say with certainty doesn't have a bigger dick than Stannis. Being as how everything always comes back to how Stannis' dick measures against everyone else's in your view.So cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 E-ro goin HAM right nowmmmmm ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Nictarion, Martin is making Stannis fight Lannisters first, and then Bolton and Freys. How can you say Martin is not expecting love for the character? He delivers a red wedding, and later puts Stannis against this guys.If it was not enough, he is making Jon to cheer for, advice, and help him.Well he was fighting Tyrion in ACoK (Martin's fav) who is much more loved then he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 E-ro goin HAM right nowShe's so mean to poor ero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Love: Daemon TargaryenHate: Young Griff and Mace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 so, do you only like characters who are moral virgins? I don't think people like the characters they like on the basis of the characters' being good people. I like Varys (a lot) and don't give a shit about any of those things you mention (as it pertains to my reasons for liking him, which relate to how I like the way he thinks and the design of his strategy). Not truly. Most of my favourite characters are grey. There gradations of evil though; I have a penchant to dislike the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I really do not get the all hate/criticism that Ned, Robb, and the Unsullied get. Huh, someone hates the gruesomely exploited slaves? Or is it just the concept of the Unsullied that people think a bit far-fetched or over the top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bea_Stark Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Like: Sansa. I know she's getting smarter, but I still don't get how people can love her.Hate: Arya.Maybe that explains why I don't care for Sansa. Maybe the ones who love Sansa don't like Arya. :dunno:I absolutely love her. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I will never understand the over the top hatred for Dany and Cat.I can understand why people like pretty much all the characters as most of them are so great. That being said, I don't think GRRM really wrote Stannis to be so well liked, and I have a suspicion it's probably similar to how Alan Moore was so surprised by people liking Rorschach.I am not judging you on your stand, you like who like, but Martin says Stannis is a hero, if wasn't D&D would have to work so hard to demonize his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 To be fair, Martin said Stannis is a righteous man, which is not (necessarily) a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Not truly. Most of my favourite characters are grey. There gradations of evil though; I have a penchant to dislike the worst. But then is it that inconceivable that others find something appealing in those characters, since "grey" means that there's good and bad? I'm sorry to have isolated your posts; others are making the same sort of arguments you were in putting this into morality terms, and I responded to yours simply because I wasn't under the impression that Varys evoked strong feelings in most posters. At any rate, I'm willing to bet morality plays a very small role in why readers like the characters they like, but for some reason, discussion always comes back to those terms. Maybe because it's the most quantifiable to explain. But I think it's probably totally inaccurate in getting to the bottom of why people like who they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Well he was fighting Tyrion in ACoK (Martin's fav) who is much more loved then he is. And people liked Tyrion even though he was fighting the Starks, and it's pretty clear that Martin wants the readers to like both the Starks and Tyrion. BTW currently among book readers I think Stannis is more loved than Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Huh, someone hates the gruesomely exploited slaves? Or is it just the concept of the Unsullied that people think a bit far-fetched or over the top? I think The Santa of House Claus was referring to the Unsullied: people who watch the show but have never read (and probably never will read) the books. I can see why some characters are liked (even loved) or disliked, but I don't understand the rage against some of them like Dany. Cat gets too much flak over one incident with Jon, according to GRRM that was the only time she was mean to him. I don't get the extreme Rhaegar and Lyanna hate either. They're dead, and we hardly know anything about them. And people make Elia out to be a saint and we know even less about her than we do about R and L. I suppose the whole concept of truly feeling hate for a fictional character is baffling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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