Le Cygne Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Oh and if anyone is counting, I still think Daario II is worse than the not very good Daario I. I don't know why anyone ever thought this actor had any sexual charisma? I was a big fan of Daario I, but Daario II is quite attractive, IMHO, and it seems like that opinion is shared by a good number of viewers. I don't think it's the actor's fault. I think for some reason, they are holding him back. I do think Daario will play a part in TWOW, I think there's genuine love between Dany and Daario, or at the very least, they still have a story to play out between them. Maybe they think if he comes off as a nice guy we will like him, but I would like him better if he was cocky, like he's supposed to be. Then again, I liked him in the books, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I really don't like that the show has turned Mace Tyrrell into an order-taking buffoon for Tywin. He doesn't get a lot of pages in the book but this guy is the Lord of the second most powerful family in Westeros. Ok, we know Olenna has power too but even the show references that it was Mace's idea to support Renly over her objections. And they proceeded with Margaery marrying Joffrey becase MACE insisted on Margaery being Queen. This guy is not a buffoon. He wouldn't tolerate Tywin ordering to "fetch his quill and parchment". Also, what was Tywin writing anyway? Message to Dany?The problem is they cut off the Tyrell family. People don't realise Mace actually cared for all his children and even give his crippled heir Highgarden, while finding lands and titles for the rest. Imagine if Tyrion was a Tyrell instead of a Lannister or a Tarly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesterX Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 This is a true nitpick. But, apparently, Ramsay's dogs are more ferocious than direwolves, since they are in metal cages and biting the metal [and cause the Ironborn to run away], and poor ole Ghost can't even get out of a wooden pen. I'm wondering if Ramsay might've ordered Theon to go into the cage with the dogs and that disgusted Yara/Asha enough to make her leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I was a big fan of Daario I, but Daario II is quite attractive, IMHO, and it seems like that opinion is shared by a good number of viewers. I don't think it's the actor's fault. I think for some reason, they are holding him back. I do think Daario will play a part in TWOW, I think there's genuine love between Dany and Daario, or at the very least, they still have a story to play out between them. Maybe they think if he comes off as a nice guy we will like him, but I would like him better if he was cocky, like he's supposed to be. Then again, I liked him in the books, too. I don't see it. He's "attractive" but he should be "hot" and he should have tons of charisma no matter what look they're going for, and to me, he doesn't. I look at him and see Red Shirt. Daario I had the right swagger and I liked the crazy 80s glam metal hair, it would have been better if he was a better actor, but still much preferable to brown haired red shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar I Targaryen Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 It's not a matter of how anyone interprets things, present the material, and we can all interpret it as we please. But they aren't doing that, they are whitewashing him - removing the negative material, even changing it to positive. Which shows that they interpreted it as negative, or they wouldn't have done so. It's deliberate. Ahhhhhhhgh Tyrion Hate!!!! :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Yeah agreed, but he's still popular and many people don't even that distinction. It's more about a popular character killing another popular character, likability (as in being sympathetic) isn't really a factor. Also, not a lot of TV characters kill their own fathers, no matter what the circumstances are. It doesn't happen that often in movies either, expect for a couple of Shakespeare's works. Its not something people are used to seeing, and I think it will be incredibly jarring for the audience. Couple that with killing Shae as well, and I think a lot of people are going to be seeing Tyrion in a different light after the season is over; regardless of whether he is cruel to Jaime on his way out or not. On a different note, I thought it was clear that the goat scene was foreshadowing a future scene where a goatherd comes in with a bag, Dany dismissively tells him to take his money (with the implication she's done this several times and is bored with ti), and he reveals the bones of a child. The scene was fine by me. My nitpick is with the Dreadfort scene. I understand why Yara left, but the whole thing felt rushed, anti-climatic, and unnecessary all at the same time. If D&D wanted her to leave the isles for a while (possibly so that when she comes back, its revealed that Balon's dead and Euron is sitting on the throne; thus skipping the Kingsmoot), it would've made more sense for just be sitting at Moat Callin. They even could've still had her meet Theon when he comes as an envoy, if that meeting was something they wanted this season. There could've been some plotline where she's struggling to keep the men in line, because that swamp sucks; Theon then comes, and the men want to surrender. She doesn't, but is overruled, and flees with a few trusted men back to isles where the remainder stay, open the gates, and are butchered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I don't see it. He's "attractive" but he should be "hot" and he should have tons of charisma no matter what look they're going for, and to me, he doesn't. I look at him and see Red Shirt. Daario I had the right swagger and I liked the crazy 80s glam metal hair, it would have been better if he was a better actor, but still much preferable to brown haired red shirt. Maybe we listen to different fans, but I'm hearing "hot" for him. If he was directed to turn on the charm, he'd be doing what you want to see, he knows how to act, I've seen him in other things. At any rate, they've made him a regular next season, he's not going away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistress of Lemon Cakes Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 My only real issue was all the stuff at the Dreadfort. The acting was absolutely superb, but everything with Asha seemed utterly pointless. And I'm pretty sure the dragons will still kill a child because she has to eventually lock up her dragons. It'll probably be at the end of the season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppersam Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Just a few minor nitpicks: (1) I know this sounds stupid, but I found the "previously, on GoT" scenes annoying (are they the same for all viewers?). I hated how they went through and showed past disagreements between Tyrion and the witnesses that were going to testify against him one by one. It made it very obvious what was going to happen during the episode. Yes, I read the books, and I knew what was coming anyway, but my unsullied girlfriend knew what was coming too just from those scenes! (2) Scene where Ramsay draws Theon a bath- Reek, who has been tortured and beaten for quite a while now, who is too scared to even recognize a rescue attempt by his sister, still has a very toned and muscular physique? Ummmm..... This really bothered me. He looked like he is still strong and could be a physical force if he tried. Obviously the show isn't going to knock out his teeth and chop off fingers, but the visual of Reek in this episode was disappointing to me. I'm not saying there needs to be a Christian Bale in the Machinist kind of transformation, but if he still look like he did in season one with his shirt off, at least keep his shirt on! (Edit- I want to be clear that I thought Alfie did a fantastic job. No nitpicking him at all) (3) Hunting hounds can for sure outrun some ironborn on foot. Do they expect us to believe that Ramsay didnt let those dogs out of the cages?? Weak. I didnt mind the scene in that it shows Theon's complete transformation into Reek, but the execution of this rescue scene was very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Just a few minor nitpicks: (1) I know this sounds stupid, but I found the "previously, on GoT" scenes annoying (are they the same for all viewers?). I hated how they went through and showed past disagreements between Tyrion and the witnesses that were going to testify against him one by one. It made it very obvious what was going to happen during the episode. Yes, I read the books, and I knew what was coming anyway, but my unsullied girlfriend knew what was coming too just from those scenes! Just shows Tyrion's problems of making unncessary enemies and being douchey all around.I love how Ramsay keeps a well toned Reek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar I Targaryen Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 It's tough to ask an actor to sacrifice their health for the sake of canon, though I get your point. I think Alfie did a good job of trying to make himself look small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgrrrl Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 In addition to the ramsay/yara encounter that made no sense, I was also annoyed by the Salladhor Saan "hot-tub" scene. It seemed like his joke went on forever and the scene was really just an excuse for more nudity. The whole "Stannis got the Iron Banks gold" reveal could have been handled much differently and maybe actually included Stannis (heaven forbid) rather than Davos (who I like, don't get me wrong) and a relatively minor character (Saan) plus two random women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar I Targaryen Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 In addition to the ramsay/yara encounter that made no sense, I was also annoyed by the Salladhor Saan "hot-tub" scene. It seemed like his joke went on forever and the scene was really just an excuse for more nudity. The whole "Stannis got the Iron Banks gold" reveal could have been handled much differently and maybe actually included Stannis (heaven forbid) rather than Davos (who I like, don't get me wrong) and a relatively minor character (Saan) plus two random women. Random women!? They were notable porn stars! :drool: *comic font to denote sarcasm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Naked Ramsay is not a nice thing to see. I dont care how cut he is, no! NOPE! NOPE! I have a feeling that that girl he keeps slammin' might wind up as Fake Arya.....just a thought... I was hoping that bitch would be killed this episode. I really don't like the idea of Ramsay having an evil sidekick, especially one mainly used to provide boobs. Fake Arya should be a victim, not an evil slut...Jon needs to hear about the abuse of his 'sister'. Although, I have a feeling you might be right on this one, it's too late to remind us who Jeyne is and they won't want to use an underage (one in pilot) and sacrifice nudity being used. Stannis didn't even get to speak his case. Seems Cogman has agreed to D&D propaganda. Asha-Dreadfort plotline totally useless. Sadly, Stannis is the third wheel of his own story. Mel and Davos are the likable/interesting ones, Stannis is just the moping jerk who needs those two to do everything for him and he doesn't even appreciate it. They better not screw with his Jon interactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matoro Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Random women!? They were notable porn stars! :drool: *comic font to denote sarcasm* One of Saan's women looked exactly like Melisandre, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankou Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I felt so bad for that poor goat, roasted by still alive and screaming in the dragon's claws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 The letter from Ramsay that he sent to Balon Greyjoy was burnt by Balon in the fire of his hall after he read it.. yet Yara was reading from it here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankou Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 One of Saan's women looked exactly like Melisandre, don't you think? Random women!? They were notable porn stars! :drool: *comic font to denote sarcasm* Is that even true? I'm no expert on porn stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankou Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 It's tough to ask an actor to sacrifice their health for the sake of canon, though I get your point. I think Alfie did a good job of trying to make himself look small. Reek, reek, alliterative with ripped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar I Targaryen Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Is that even true? I'm no expert on porn stars. That's just what I heard, though I think only one of them was a pornstar. Reek, reek, alliterative with ripped. I would hardly call Alfie Allen ripped, but I digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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