LyrnaSnowBunnyAvenger Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Good, we're agreed then. It would be stupid and annoying, but not impossible. No, we are not in agreement. Just because you can subject GRRM’s writing to post-modernist crap thinking, doesn’t mean you should. Sometimes a purloined letter is just a fucking purloined letter and a tom boy is a tom boy. In neither case does a penis in any shape or form need to be involved. At this rate, there is going to be more secrete penises (Arya, Brienne, Osha, Asha, The Dusty Woman, I'm sure I'm missing several) jumping out from behind every bush of Westeros than there are secret Targs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 No, we are not in agreement. Just because you can subject GRRM’s writing to post-modernist crap thinking, doesn’t mean you should. Sometimes a purloined letter is just a fucking purloined letter and a tom boy is a tom boy. In neither case does a penis in any shape or form need to be involved. At this rate, there is going to be more secrete penises (Arya, Brienne, Osha, Asha, The Dusty Woman, I'm sure I'm missing several) jumping out from behind every bush of Westeros than there are secret Targs. There's noting post-modernist about it. AG is a known medical condition that affects people now and affected people in the past, probably all the way back to the caveman days. So I agree with your first post that it would be a weak crutch for an author like GRRM to use in order to create a plot twist, but that is very different from saying it is downright impossible. What's post modernist is the notion that someone could raise an issue like this and suddenly be labeled sexist. Only in post-modernist thinking are boys and girls supposed to be equal in every way. Right or wrong, that hasn't been the mindset throughout nearly all of recorded history. So if there is any real evidence that this could not be the case -- she flowers, starts growing breasts, she's about 12 IIRC -- than we can start talking about impossibilities. But until then, try not to confuse your distaste for the whole subject as ironclad proof that it couldn't happen. And BTW, if you look at the OP I never proposed any of this as fact or even theory. I just mentioned that I thought it was a completely crazy idea that, on second thought, is only extremely crazy given the medical knowledge we have today. Personally, I would be very disappointed if GR pulled a stunt like this because he is a much better writer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Well... spoiler* if you read the Arya sample chapter from TWOW, this would not even be discussed since she is growing breasts* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sorry, but no. From the chapter: He is teasing me, Mercy thought. He’s not drunk tonight, he knows the show perfectly well. “We are doing Phario’s new Bloody Hand, in honor of the envoy from the Seven Kingdoms.” “Now I recall.” Bobono lowered his voice to a sinister croak. “The seven-faced god has cheated me,” he said. “My noble sire he made of purest gold, and gold he made my siblings, boy and girl. But I am formed of darker stuff, of bones and blood and clay, twisted into this rude shape you see before you.” With that, he grabbed at her chest, fumbling for a nipple. “You have no titties. How can I rape a girl with no titties?”She caught his nose between her thumb and forefinger and twisted. “You’ll have no nose until you get your hands off me.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tashay Harvey Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Um no...she's biological a girl.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Um no...she's biological a girl.. Well, the whole point of the thread is the idea that she is a boy with Ambiguous Genitalia, a known medical condition that causes baby boys to look like baby girls. Of course, I have no way to prove that she does have it. If there is a way to prove that she doesn't, I'd love to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnow4President Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Well, the whole point of the thread is the idea that she is a boy with Ambiguous Genitalia, a known medical condition that causes baby boys to look like baby girls. Of course, I have no way to prove that she does have it. If there is a way to prove that she doesn't, I'd love to hear it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Well, the whole point of the thread is the idea that she is a boy with Ambiguous Genitalia, a known medical condition that causes baby boys to look like baby girls. Of course, I have no way to prove that she does have it. If there is a way to prove that she doesn't, I'd love to hear it. Actually there is. Email GRRM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adara Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Well, the whole point of the thread is the idea that she is a boy with Ambiguous Genitalia, a known medical condition that causes baby boys to look like baby girls. Of course, I have no way to prove that she does have it. If there is a way to prove that she doesn't, I'd love to hear it. The whole point of this thread is your assumption that Arya is a boy because of beeing tomboyish. You're constantly ignoring the facts of text evidence that she's a girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in Black Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 On a scale of 1 to Kiefer Sutherland how drunk would GRRM have to be to come up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adara Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 On a scale of 1 to Kiefer Sutherland how drunk would GRRM have to be to come up with that? Charlie Sheen? :idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in Black Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Charlie Sheen? :idea:That's a completely different scale altogether! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuem Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 “You know I’m not.” Gendry smiled. “You want me to take out my cock and prove it? I don’t have anything to hide.” “Yes you do,” Arya blurted, desperate to escape the subject of the cock she didn’t have. “Those gold cloaks were after you at the inn, and you won’t tell us why.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 The whole point of this thread is your assumption that Arya is a boy because of beeing tomboyish. You're constantly ignoring the facts of text evidence that she's a girl. DUDE AMBIGUOUS GENITALIA........ Don't you get it, Arya doesn't know that she has a penis. :crying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser-Hodor Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Benjen + Varys =... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adara Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 DUDE AMBIGUOUS GENITALIA........ I'M NOT A DUDE! I JUST CHECKED! According to this thread not enough, aye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Benjen + Varys =... Arya Stark.... or Martins play on British pronunciation 'arry instead of Harry therefore Ayra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'M NOT A DUDE! I JUST CHECKED! According to this thread not enough, aye.Its okay, once you go through puberty you should be safe. Its the surge of testosterone during puberty that makes the penis develop properly if you have AIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'M NOT A DUDE! I JUST CHECKED! According to this thread not enough, aye. Check again, and recheck. Ok.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Check again, and recheck. Ok.... We were joking? :crying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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