Mack Kilimaro Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Pretty nice set up for a protest tomorrow seeing as how the Thursday Night game is in Baltimore. Not that I think anything notable is likely to happen. I'd be pretty stunned if anything happened. People will probably tell themselves they paid too much money to not show up - assuming there would be a notable number of ticket holders who even give a shit enough to have some doubt about whether they should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Independent investigation pending. I don't like that it's being overseen my Mara, who publicly supported Goodell, but it's a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Independent investigation pending. I don't like that it's being overseen my Mara, who publicly supported Goodell, but it's a start. "Independent". Overseen by two owners. Funny definition that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yeah, my thoughts as well. I didn't have time to impart my full level of sarcasm when I posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The more I think about that last bit the more angry I get. What the hell is there to investigate? There is like zero plausible deniability at this point. What a farking dog and pony show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Okay, is it just my pessimism or am I alone in thinking that if Ray Rice were to be introduced at the game tonight, the crowd would give him a standing ovation?That's not a comment on Baltimore specifically, but rather on the subsect of humanity as a whole that identify as NFL fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 "Independent". Overseen by two owners. Funny definition that. And the law firm conducting the investigation has previously represented the NFL. What a load of shit. I am curious if the NFL will waive attorney client/work product privileges as part of this "independent" investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos OnionKing Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The more I think about that last bit the more angry I get. What the hell is there to investigate? There is like zero plausible deniability at this point. What a farking dog and pony show. I'm a bit confused on the call for criminal charges. His wife did not press charges (lord only knows why not). Is anyone in here studied in law to give me some clarity. If the victim does not press charges is there a way to still build a case against Rice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The owners have no incentive to keep Goodell. These guys didn't become billionaires by not tossing subordinates under the bus when appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'm a bit confused on the call for criminal charges. His wife did not press charges (lord only knows why not). Is anyone in here studied in law to give me some clarity. If the victim does not press charges is there a way to still build a case against Rice? Yes. The video would have been enough to convict. The victim's cooperation is not required to prosecute. For minor things, if the victim doesn't want to go forward they likely won't pursue the issue, though. And for crimes where the victim is the primary witness, it can be impossible to go forward. This happens in sexual assault cases all the time, where whatever happeened was behind closed doors with no other witnesses. For this, though, there was high quality video showing exactly waht happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Lannister Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Okay, is it just my pessimism or am I alone in thinking that if Ray Rice were to be introduced at the game tonight, the crowd would give him a standing ovation?That's not a comment on Baltimore specifically, but rather on the subsect of humanity as a whole that identify as NFL fans.Sadly enough, I'm sure you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Okay, is it just my pessimism or am I alone in thinking that if Ray Rice were to be introduced at the game tonight, the crowd would give him a standing ovation?That's not a comment on Baltimore specifically, but rather on the subsect of humanity as a whole that identify as NFL fans.I don't think he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Sadly enough, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure some people would cheer and some would boo. More cheering than booing? Hard to say, but I'd like to think there would be plenty of boos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 It's so hard to get a read on NFL fans at large when most of my interaction comes on this forum. Hell, even here we had that numb nuts show up earlier this year talking Rothlesberger and make the comment "everyone wants to fuck the champ."I just think that there are likely more of that guy around than there are of the rest of us, but we don't interact with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos OnionKing Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yes. The video would have been enough to convict. The victim's cooperation is not required to prosecute. For minor things, if the victim doesn't want to go forward they likely won't pursue the issue, though. And for crimes where the victim is the primary witness, it can be impossible to go forward. This happens in sexual assault cases all the time, where whatever happeened was behind closed doors with no other witnesses. For this, though, there was high quality video showing exactly waht happened. Thanks sperry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andriy Czarchenko Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'm a bit confused on the call for criminal charges. His wife did not press charges (lord only knows why not). Is anyone in here studied in law to give me some clarity. If the victim does not press charges is there a way to still build a case against Rice? Rice apparently entered a program for 1st time offenders where he has to take some course and keep a clean sheet for some amount of time in order to not get charged now. They still have the option if he fails to follow the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 It's so hard to get a read on NFL fans at large when most of my interaction comes on this forum. Hell, even here we had that numb nuts show up earlier this year talking Rothlesberger and make the comment "everyone wants to fuck the champ."I just think that there are likely more of that guy around than there are of the rest of us, but we don't interact with them. The NFL has a very, very stupid fanbase as a whole. Unlike college sports, there's no "went to this college" self-selection bias (although even that's not perfect, as plenty of people are just fans of their state's flagship school). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The NFL has a very, very stupid fanbase as a whole. Unlike college sports, there's no "went to this college" self-selection bias (although even that's not perfect, as plenty of people are just fans of their state's flagship school). I think that college football fans are marginally at best more educated than NFL fans. In places where there is no pro team, the college team just fills the gap. Not coincidentally, those places often have the most rabid fanbases (Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, Nebraska). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime L Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The NFL has a very, very stupid fanbase as a whole. Unlike college sports, there's no "went to this college" self-selection bias (although even that's not perfect, as plenty of people are just fans of their state's flagship school). Oh man, thanks for this, I needed a good laugh. Yes the average Alabama fan is a mensa member compared to the average Falcon fan living in Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Rice apparently entered a program for 1st time offenders where he has to take some course and keep a clean sheet for some amount of time in order to not get charged now. They still have the option if he fails to follow the rules.This. He was offered diversion for punching his fiancé out. Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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