awesome possum Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Yeah, based on the ads I saw the 'issues' that the GOP was presenting were "my opponent is basically Obama" and "I'm not Obama". Riveting policy discussion. Exactly. There were signs strewn all throughout my town (and I imagine the state) that simply said basic things like, "Fed Up? Vote Republican!" and "Had Enough? Vote Republican!" I'll hand it to the GOP though, they won on messaging again. They created this mess and have done everything in their power to stop Democrats from fixing it (imagine where the slowly rising economy would be if they actually passed a jobs bill?), and then somehow managed to blame Democrats for everything. It was almost literally the old, "I'm going to slap that guy on the back of the head, then point to that guy over there when he looks back outraged" trick. And it worked. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprincethatwasntpromised Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 SYM is daskool? I don't think theprincethatwasn'tpromised is really aware that these political threads have been going on for a long time (as far back as 2000, from my lurking standard) and there are always one or two trolls that come in and post talking points and give the regular posters the opportunity to utterly destroy them.I hope you're not calling me a troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuenjato Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I hope you're not calling me a troll It would be a lot better if you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttree Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 It would be a lot better if you were. This. I'm still holding on a sliver of hope for the Poe angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 SYM is daskool? Just a theory. Same troglodytic point of view, inability to process arguments, and fatuous claims of being a small businessman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Well, Lee Terry has conceded, so I do live in one of the very few bright spots for Democrats this year: http://www.omaha.com/news/metro/brad-ashford-wins-house-seat-lee-terry-to-concede/article_91ef6b1a-6503-11e4-b3f9-001a4bcf6878.html Was Gwen Graham in Florida the only other Democrat besides Brad Ashford to take a formerly Republican US House seat this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I hope you're not calling me a trollY u mad bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome possum Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Here's a good example of just how stupidly hypocritical voters were, courtesy of Illinois. These two ballot measures were approved by a 2-1 margin: Minimum wage increase: Advises the legislature to increase the state's hourly minimum wage to $10 Millionaire tax increase: Advises the legislature to increase the tax on income greater than one million dollars to provide additional revenue to schools Two to one margin. For our numerically challenged, this means that for every person who didn't want to raise the minimum wage or tax millionaires to help better fund schools, there were two people that did. And yet, they also elected a governor who steadfastly campaigned on 1) eliminating the minimum wage altogether so his master's have cheaper serfs and 2) lower taxes, especially for the rich. Can anyone try to make sense of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 So does actually change anything at the Federal level? The Republicans control the Senate, but they don't have the votes to overcome a filibuster, much less a presidential veto. I guess it makes it impossible for the administration to appoint judges and other such positions without Republican consent, but beyond that all actions still require either compromise or a game of brinksmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Fool Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Well, it was a given that no matter the election results, we'd still be down for at least 2 more years of Republican whining, the only thing a Republican senate changes is the specific tune of that whining. Now it'll be that truly Republican mixture of whine and gloat - whinegloating, if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bong of Ice and Fire Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Good. Now let's see if the RINOs understand the people want conservatives in power, not statist republicons. It the Rs don't get this, their reign will be short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1918me Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Here's a good example of just how stupidly hypocritical voters were, courtesy of Illinois. These two ballot measures were approved by a 2-1 margin: Minimum wage increase: Advises the legislature to increase the state's hourly minimum wage to $10 Millionaire tax increase: Advises the legislature to increase the tax on income greater than one million dollars to provide additional revenue to schools Two to one margin. For our numerically challenged, this means that for every person who didn't want to raise the minimum wage or tax millionaires to help better fund schools, there were two people that did. And yet, they also elected a governor who steadfastly campaigned on 1) eliminating the minimum wage altogether so his master's have cheaper serfs and 2) lower taxes, especially for the rich. Can anyone try to make sense of this? If this election has taught me anything, it's that I was right in believing that many people voting Republican are genuinely acting against their best interests; they just don't realize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris G Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Here's a good example of just how stupidly hypocritical voters were, courtesy of Illinois. These two ballot measures were approved by a 2-1 margin: Minimum wage increase: Advises the legislature to increase the state's hourly minimum wage to $10 Millionaire tax increase: Advises the legislature to increase the tax on income greater than one million dollars to provide additional revenue to schools Two to one margin. For our numerically challenged, this means that for every person who didn't want to raise the minimum wage or tax millionaires to help better fund schools, there were two people that did. And yet, they also elected a governor who steadfastly campaigned on 1) eliminating the minimum wage altogether so his master's have cheaper serfs and 2) lower taxes, especially for the rich. Can anyone try to make sense of this? Because it doesn't really matter who is the governor, as long as Mike Madigan runs the legislature Rauner won't get to do anything he actually ran on. Quinn had the same issue with the pension reform stuff. The only things that get done are the things Madigan wants done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Something not even talked about yet, but things got even worse down at the state legislative level. Democrats are now down to only 7 states where they have the trifecta of the governor's mansion and both legislative chambers, there are another 18 where control is divided, and Republicans control the trifecta in the other 25 states. Republicans now control 67 of the 98 partisan legislative chambers (no counting Nebraska), after winning the Nevada senate and house, the Colorado senate, the Minnesota house, the New Mexico house (that's one's really surprising), the Maine house, the West Virginia house, and the New Hampshire house. They also won outright control of the senates in Washington and New York, so they don't need their renegade Democrats anymore. The only bright spots are that Democrats held on to the senate in Iowa, so at least things won't get too out of control there, and somehow held on to the house in Kentucky, which is really important since it means Rand Paul won't be able to get state law changed so that he can run for Senator and President in 2016. He'll either have to give up his seat, or not try for the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NestorMakhnosLovechild Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 If this election has taught me anything, it's that I was right in believing that many people voting Republican are genuinely acting against their best interests; they just don't realize it. You know, I really have to admire someone that's willing to take stock of an event, do a little soul searching, and conclude that they were ultimately right about everything they already believed anyway, plus that their political opponents are stupid. It's just really refreshing to see. (I kid, I kid...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Here's a good example of just how stupidly hypocritical voters were, courtesy of Illinois. These two ballot measures were approved by a 2-1 margin: Minimum wage increase: Advises the legislature to increase the state's hourly minimum wage to $10 Millionaire tax increase: Advises the legislature to increase the tax on income greater than one million dollars to provide additional revenue to schools Two to one margin. For our numerically challenged, this means that for every person who didn't want to raise the minimum wage or tax millionaires to help better fund schools, there were two people that did. And yet, they also elected a governor who steadfastly campaigned on 1) eliminating the minimum wage altogether so his master's have cheaper serfs and 2) lower taxes, especially for the rich. Can anyone try to make sense of this? Rauner backed away from his minimum wage position. I heard him on the radio Saturday morning, talking about his "support" for an increase of the minimum wage..... gradually and over time. He also campaigned pretty hard on "I'm not a career politician" and "My wife is a Democrat, so I know how to build consensus!" I am disappointed (to say the least), but I wouldn't view it as a sign that Illinois is shifting to the right. Dick Durbin handily defeated Oberweis. Oberweis scares me more than Rauner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bong of Ice and Fire Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 If this election has taught me anything, it's that I was right in believing that many people voting Republican are genuinely acting against their best interests; they just don't realize it. The false doctrine of "progressivism" has been dividing and destroying our country. It's not in my best interests for progressives to continue to push their disastrous policies unchallenged. I don't like establishment republicans, either, but they're the only other option for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I am glad I have a political thought leader with "bong" in his name to guide me through this difficult time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 So does actually change anything at the Federal level? The Republicans control the Senate, but they don't have the votes to overcome a filibuster, much less a presidential veto. I guess it makes it impossible for the administration to appoint judges and other such positions without Republican consent, but beyond that all actions still require either compromise or a game of brinksmanship. Yes. Appointments become a much bigger clusterfuck and the GOP gains control of alot of important committee staffing decisions and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I am glad I have a political thought leader with "bong" in his name to guide me through this difficult time Could be worse, he could have a name like Wiener or some foolish shit like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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