myhousigilisthehousecat Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I wish he was 100% dead cause he's not my cup of tea, but he's definitely either alive or undead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RezBarbie24 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 My problem with unJon is not that he would be "changed" - Beric turned out okay at the very least the first time. It's the "oh, come the fuck on" factor.UnCat was dead for 3 days, UnBeric kept coming back, since Jon warged ghost his consciousness never died... he'll still be Jon... but merged with Ghost he won't be so whiny when he comes back.... Which I think is necessary for him to become AA... The boy will have been killed and the MAN will be (re)BORN.... I can't wait for a Jon who doesn't take shit from no one... that is if that's what's to come... no one can say for sure till WOW comes out.... and it's gonna be good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoIaF Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 He's dead but he'll be revived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Mando Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No, he's not dead. There wouldn't be a cliffhanger. Like someone else said, i think there will be a bloodbath at the wall. There might be people against jon, but i guess he also has some "allies", like Tormund and maybe Melisandre an Wun Wun. And don't forget stannis.There will be a battle about control of castle black, and then in the moment of chaos the others come...Thats my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grandmaster Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 He won't die, characters don't die when they are on the brink of dying at the end of books, as GRRM has proved time and time again. Part of me hopes Jon does die just so I can be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Flandrensis Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 He's only mostly dead. He's either not dead or soon to be alive again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dovahkiin Snow Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 His body may be dead. The last thing he said was "Ghost." This should not be overlooked. His "soul" or "spirit" is alive, if not his body.Basically, he'll be okay.They're all starting to feel dead to me. I need the next book to come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dovahkiin Snow Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No, he's not dead. There wouldn't be a cliffhanger. Like someone else said, i think there will be a bloodbath at the wall. There might be people against jon, but i guess he also has some "allies", like Tormund and maybe Melisandre an Wun Wun. And don't forget stannis.There will be a battle about control of castle black, and then in the moment of chaos the others come...Thats my guess.I like your idea of The Others finally coming amidst the chaos at The Wall. I can see Jon "coming back" just in time to defend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Dead Just Broken Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If someone is dead, there is nothing open-ended about it. You don't have a cliffhanger only to send the guy over the cliff. Robb was unambiguously dead, just like Ned was. If Jon is actually unambiguously dead, there's no reason to be vague about it. Whereas every single time a person's fate has ended up on a note of ambiguity (Davos, Arya, Brienne, off the top of my head), the person has actually survived. Remember something else GRRM has said: Jon's gong to find out who his parents are, which is difficult to accomplish if he's actually dead. I guess you're in the "Quentyn Martell isn't actually dead" camp? His last POV ends with basically "holy sh*t Dragons, cliffhanger" and then he's dead in the next POV at the same location. Remember, ADWD wasn't supposed to end where it did. It's entirely possible there's a Melisandre POV that was pushed to TWOW that confirms Jon's death in the way that Barristan's POV confirms Quentyn's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I guess you're in the "Quentyn Martell isn't actually dead" camp? His last POV ends with basically "holy sh*t Dragons, cliffhanger" and then he's dead in the next POV at the same location. Remember, ADWD wasn't supposed to end where it did. It's entirely possible there's a Melisandre POV that was pushed to TWOW that confirms Jon's death in the way that Barristan's POV confirms Quentyn's. Barristan's POV confirmed Quentyn's death in the same goddamn book. So, yeah, not the same thing. It's also "entirely possible" that it's actually Jon's resurrection (or recovery) that was moved to the next book in order to make it more of a cliffhanger. And again, Jon can't find out who his parents are if he's dead. I can get over people who want Jon to be dead. That's their opinion and they're entitled to it. But I cannot fathom anyone saying with a straight face that they actually think he is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hulboy Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well said apple ..jon isnt dead but there will be hell to pay when he heals up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 10% he is dead90% he lives100% in one way or another he will be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RezBarbie24 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 He's dead like Robb before him. Let's see. Freaked out Direwolf? Check. About to embark on a mission to recapture Winterfell? Check. Killed by assassins? Check. Surrounded by hostiles? Check. Stick Ghost's head on his body, he's done. And to all the people who hold to GRRM's cryptic "you think he's dead do you?" (which is just him trying to keep it open ended until TWOW comes out) and believe that Jon will be king. Remember something else GRRM has said: kings don't get POV's. Quote please... also Jon is still a bastard at this point and I believe his point in the story is he'll help defeat the Others... I doubt he'll be king... Completely different topic there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Barristan's POV confirmed Quentyn's death in the same goddamn book. So, yeah, not the same thing. It's also "entirely possible" that it's actually Jon's resurrection (or recovery) that was moved to the next book in order to make it more of a cliffhanger. And again, Jon can't find out who his parents are if he's dead. I can get over people who want Jon to be dead. That's their opinion and they're entitled to it. But I cannot fathom anyone saying with a straight face that they actually think he is dead.*looks around, scared*How do you know what face people type with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Quote please... also Jon is still a bastard at this point and I believe his point in the story is he'll help defeat the Others... I doubt he'll be king... Completely different topic there. Not everyone believes he is a bastard. And there is some foreshadowing for Jon being king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose is Azor Ahai Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 He's alive, just in coma. No Mel resurrections, no magic thingies, just normal coma. I think his body will go to coma, but Jon himself will warg to Ghost and kill Marsh and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facebookless Man Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 IMO if he was going to be revived GRRM would have killed him for good, no cliffhangers. Let people cry about it for ten years, isn't that his MO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Chase Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Not dead. Not undead. Just critically injured and being healed by the wildling princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Sadly no, he is not dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf of the Steppes Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No. He is only mostly dead. Love the PB reference! This is exactly what came into my head when I read the title of the thread. NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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