19 Child Molestation Charges and Counting

[Dr. Pepper]

The worst part about these revisionists is that they insist that this is a private matter. No. A woman making decisions about her own medical care is a private matter. Molestation is a criminal one.

Another issue is they point out the fact that Josh wasn't charged, totally ignoring the part where the officer it was originally reported to did not do his job, instead opting to give a 'stern talking'...then later proceeded to be jailed for child pornography. That meeting with the state trooper and the stern talking led to the clock running out on charges being filed.

[ThinkerX]

That's some logical gymnastics that I can't really fathom.

Try harder. Legalistic cultic reasoning at its best. Or maybe most despicable.

[The_BlauerDragon]

It's especially shitty and unfair that a crimes of abuse against children can pass their statute of limitations before the victim is an adult. How is that even allowed? It's insult to injury in cases where their guardians are the perpetrators or don't advocate for/protect them properly. Those kids have been failed completely. I hope they find their way clear of that disgusting environment and sue the pants off their parents, Josh, and the police.

Murder doesn't have a statute of limitations, child molestation should not have one either.

Another issue is they point out the fact that Josh wasn't charged, totally ignoring the part where the officer it was originally reported to did not do his job, instead opting to give a 'stern talking'...then later proceeded to be jailed for child pornography. That meeting with the state trooper and the stern talking led to the clock running out on charges being filed.

I just had a thought that turned my stomach. I just hope that "Stern talking to" was not actually more of a proposition for him to record it... but that is what the above makes it sound like it may have been.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

This whole situation turns my stomach. The "Christian Paternalist" movement that is in the background condemning women and children for "enticing" their abusers and rapist? This is not okay. This is not how people should behave towards each other. This is not how parents should raise their children.

Beyond what I've said, I'm at a loss for words.

[Shryke]

This whole situation turns my stomach. The "Christian Paternalist" movement that is in the background condemning women and children for "enticing" their abusers and rapist? This is not okay. This is not how people should behave towards each other. This is not how parents should raise their children.

Beyond what I've said, I'm at a loss for words.

Oh it's for far more then that Scott. You read some of the interviews with these people and you get Mom Duggar talking about how "A Duggar woman never has a headache" because a wife can never refuse to have sex with her husband when he wants to.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Shryke,

Of course because:

[sarcasm]What is a woman but a possession of her father or husband?[/sarcasm]

:vomits:

[The_BlauerDragon]

Mom Duggar talking about how "A Duggar woman never has a headache" because a wife can never refuse to have sex with her husband when he wants to.

As much as it is tempting to make a joke about needing a woman like that, I just... I can't. This is the same type of backwards @$$, doesn't belong in this century, WTF is wrong with you people type of thinking that gets you things like ISIS. Different stripes, sure, but its the same damned cat. I'm giving up on humanity in little fits and starts and growing degrees each day it seems.

Shryke,

Of course because:

[sarcasm]What is a woman but a possession of her father or husband?[/sarcasm]

:vomits:

Who the heck wants to be married to a possession? That is about as mentally, spiritually, and emotionally appealing as marrying a frackin' blow-up doll.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

TBD,

Indeed. My wife challenges me and I challange her. We wouldn't want it any other way.

[Myshkin]

And the revisionist tour begins

http://madworldnews.com/duggar-girls-victimized/

Thats some logical gymnastics that I can't really fathom.

What a huge pile of horseshit.

[BloodRider]

I just had a thought that turned my stomach. I just hope that "Stern talking to" was not actually more of a proposition for him to record it... but that is what the above makes it sound like it may have been.

My thoughts went to same dark place.

[Lightysnake88]

I'm noticing a LOT of "just leave them alone" arguments. Each worse than the last.

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

I'm noticing a LOT of "just leave them alone" arguments. Each worse than the last.

I'm all for that just so long as "leaving them alone" includes dropping their TV show, stop paying them for speaking engagements, stop holding them up as some sort of paragons of virtue or morality, etc, etc.

[ants]

And the revisionist tour begins

http://madworldnews.com/duggar-girls-victimized/

Thats some logical gymnastics that I can't really fathom.

The only element of that I can agree with is I do think it would have been better if the victims' identities could have been kept out of it.

Murder doesn't have a statute of limitations, child molestation should not have one either.

....

In Australia there is currently a royal commission into child abuse, mostly at government and church institutions. It is suspected that one of the recommendations is going to be removing the statute of limitations on child abuse - possibly retrospectively.

[Hayyoth]

As much as it is tempting to make a joke about needing a woman like that, I just... I can't. This is the same type of backwards @$$, doesn't belong in this century, WTF is wrong with you people type of thinking that gets you things like ISIS. Different stripes, sure, but its the same damned cat. I'm giving up on humanity in little fits and starts and growing degrees each day it seems.

Who the heck wants to be married to a possession? That is about as mentally, spiritually, and emotionally appealing as marrying a frackin' blow-up doll.

What's even more depressing is that a huge percentage of the human race see this as entirely normal. It's also not exclusively tied with religion, having a sumbmissive wife come sex slave come cook/house keeper is the goal of many in the alpha dog/neomasculine pick up artist community, and most of them are nu atheists.

I'm all for that just so long as "leaving them alone" includes dropping their TV show, stop paying them for speaking engagements, stop holding them up as some sort of paragons of virtue or morality, etc, etc.

Honestly I'd be happy never to see their stupid faces again. Unlikely as there's apparently a large market they've tapped in to...fuck me :(

[aceluby]

What's even more depressing is that a huge percentage of the human race see this as entirely normal. It's also not exclusively tied with religion, having a sumbmissive wife come sex slave come cook/house keeper is the goal of many in the alpha dog/neomasculine pick up artist community, and most of them are nu atheists.

Excuse me, but... what?

[Ormond]

What's even more depressing is that a huge percentage of the human race see this as entirely normal. It's also not exclusively tied with religion, having a sumbmissive wife come sex slave come cook/house keeper is the goal of many in the alpha dog/neomasculine pick up artist community, and most of them are nu atheists.

I am just as confused as AceLuby.

There are always going to be some heterosexual men who are narcissistic sociopaths who are going to want to relate in women in this way, no matter what their professed religious or ethnic background. But what do you mean by a "community"? What sort of organized group are you thinking of here, as opposed to just some website where an individual expresses outrageous opinions?

[The_BlauerDragon]

I'm all for that just so long as "leaving them alone" includes dropping their TV show, stop paying them for speaking engagements, stop holding them up as some sort of paragons of virtue or morality, etc, etc.

Are we still talking about the Duggars here? With the exception of the TV show part that sounds almost exactly like my thoughts on the Clintons. Seriously though, the sick part is that this is probably actually increasing their exposure. Until this story surfaced, I'd never heard of them. I had to go and do research to even find out that they had a show.

Granted, I am nowhere near as conservative as I had always thought myself to be, but I am on that side of the spectrum. (I charted it, and my political views are just barely right of center). I am devoutly Christian though and this whole "we can never have a headache, and we'll just brush it under the rug when our daughters get abused" B.S. way of thinking sickens me. I was once a member of an Apostolic (see also; Pentecostal) church. I saw a whole lot of the women must always wear dresses and must submit to their husbands lifestyle up close and personal. I left that setting because it felt too much like a cult for my liking. That, and I'd be bored to tears with a woman that could not or would not engage me mentally, verbally (I love banter), spiritually, and physically (meaning that I pretty much had to leave that setting if I ever wanted to date again). So I am well aware that these communities exist in this century. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why they still exist, but I know that they do. I don't think that they have a corner on the market though. That Alpha male, club scene, cocaine snorting, womanizing, all about the appearances and climbing the social/corporate ladder set has their own brand of it. I've been around those people and seen how they live too. Yes, they have their own community, of sorts. I'm sure that there are others as well.

It just... it frustrates me. That's all. You'd think that condemnation of the abuse of women and children, particularly in a sexual way, would be one of the few things that we could all universally agree upon ...as humans.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Ace, Ormond,

I think he's talking about this:

http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/why-the-fedora-grosses-out-gee.html

[DanteGabriel]

Between the Duggars and that state representative with a Christianist day care heavily dependent on government funds who used his influence to fast-track his adoption of young girls who had been abused, then "re-homed" them into the care of an employee he fired, who promptly raped one of the girls, the McJesusites of Arkansas are having a banner year for selling children out to molesters.

[Ormond]

Ace, Ormond,

I think he's talking about this:

http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/why-the-fedora-grosses-out-gee.html

Well, after reading that I still think use of the term "community" is unwarranted.

The Duggars would seem to be part of a "community" in terms of their participation in a religious movement which involves people interacting with one another in real life and developing relationships where they have long term commitments to one another (not just marriages, but the sort of commitments that go along with being members of religious congregations and organizing actual real life events.)

Both the fedora wearers and the fedora mockers mentioned in the linked article seem to me to be a short term fashion phenomenon which does not really make a "community". The group identifications, if any, would seem to me to constitute a fake sense of community rather than a real one.