ummester Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Was this scene shocking? Yes. Contrary to his book characterization? Not really. Exactly - and good quotes, BTW. The hardest men are the least malleable - and a hard man seeking solace in and being controlled by a nefarious witch cannot end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denam_Pavel Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 All three kings were dead at the time this scene takes place. Stannis is fully convinced of the power of king's blood. He doesn't doubt its efficacy, he only questions whether it's "the only way." I'm not sure what your point about Alester Florent or R'hllor is. My point is Balon STILL isn't dead in the show. At least not that Stannis knows off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What really annoyes me is, that it will probably be again a pointless action there just tu vilify Stannis... Melisandra's magic is doing SHIT. Other priests can ressurect people and do not have to burn other people. Tell me more about others raising shadows to kill kings, Melisandre's magic is to date, the most powerful in the TWOIAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Also, can people tell me if the leeching happens in the books? And as an aside, if leeching works so effectively why burn? Yes it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 They are ignoring Balon on the show. Melisandre didn't even mention him in her pep talk to Stannis a few episodes back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GravyFace Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I mean, it's obvious D&D aren't fans of Stannis, and haven't been fans of his from the beginning. Ever think about why? Because they probably knew from the beginning that this is what book Stannis would do. They're not going to have huge affection for a guy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummester Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Tell me more about others raising shadows to kill kings, Melisandre's magic is to date, the most powerful in the TWOIAF. Not including BloodRaven/Bran in books and the Nights King in show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draft0 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 My point is Balon STILL isn't dead in the show. At least not that Stannis knows off. Oh, I'm not defending Show Stannis (you're right, big plot hole). Just saying that his action in this episode is consistent with the text of the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Smokin a Blunt Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Is that compelling for you? 20 men can cripple an army of 6000 "because the sentries were cold"? I don't think so. That army was already crippled, in both the book and the show, Ramsey just made the problem a little more immediate. I don't find the idea of 20 men doing so all that odd either, what do you think groups like Navy Seals or Delta Force do? They go in behind enemy lines with small groups and disrupt their ability to fight. I'm actually surprised we haven't seen more examples of this kind of thing going on in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbob Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Well, look on the bright side, Stannis truly has become the Night's King now, as many predicted he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denam_Pavel Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 That army was already crippled, in both the book and the show, Ramsey just made the problem a little more immediate. I don't find the idea of 20 men doing so all that odd either, what do you think groups like Navy Seals or Delta Force do? They go in behind enemy lines with small groups and disrupt their ability to fight. I'm actually surprised we haven't seen more examples of this kind of thing going on in the books. 20 men killed HUNDREDS of horses and as well a crapton of other things and every single of one of them made a clean escape. Navy Seals and Delta Force would wish they had that kinds of efficiency. And those guys have explosives and helicopters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoynar Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 D&D have managed to get people to root for a psychopathic torturer and rapist over Stannis. Congrats, it didn't even seem possible. They must hate him very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrés Garcia Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I can imagine George suddenly breaking into a sweat while watching that scene. Oh my god, what have they done?! I told them Mel burns Shireen, but did not say that Stannis sanctions it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Smokin a Blunt Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 20 men killed HUNDREDS of horses and as well a crapton of other things and every single of one of them made a clean escape. Navy Seals and Delta Force would wish they had that kinds of efficiency. And those guys have explosives and helicopters.No, fire killed hundreds of horses, which is completely plausible. Fire was the scourge of the ancient world, even in cities there was almost nothing they could so about it other than contain it and let it burn itself out. Out in the middle of nowhere, good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denam_Pavel Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 No, fire killed hundreds of horses, which is completely plausible. Fire was the scourge of the ancient world, even in cities there was almost nothing they could so about it other than contain it and let it burn itself out. Out in the middle of nowhere, good luck. Blizzards are generally good at preventing these kinds of fires though. Or at least ensure that aren't starting massive fires quickly and easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Smokin a Blunt Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Blizzards are generally good at preventing these kinds of fires though. Or at least ensure that aren't starting massive fires quickly and easily.maybe an accidental fire, but adding a little accelerant ought to still make stuff burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 One of the best commanders in Westeros gets outthought by Ramsay, who had 20 men? Complete bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grandmaster Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What I don't get is why Stannis, with the White Walkers on the Night's Watch's doorstep, would sacrifice Shireen just to defeat the Boltons. The Boltons! A bastard's blood nails you two kings, but a king's daughter only nets you victory in the snow these days. You'd expect a ball of fire to come crashing down on the Night's King for that sort of investment, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis is the man....nis Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What I don't get is why Stannis, with the White Walkers on the Night's Watch's doorstep, would sacrifice Shireen just to defeat the Boltons. The Boltons! Well two episodes ago when Mel first suggest the burning she argued said "you must become AA only you can lead against the long night." So you can argue the WW are factoring in long term into his decision then the Boltens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denam_Pavel Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 maybe an accidental fire, but adding a little accelerant ought to still make stuff burn. Can you be more specific? What do you imagine Ramsay and each of his men used to very quickly start fires, completely unseen, that the raging snowstorm was powerless to stop from consuming the tent that contained the horses and whathaveyou? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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