drawkcabi Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I wonder if the same movie would have been less or more popular if it wasn't Star Trek.Into Darkness that isYa know same overall film just change the character names and the Star Trek related background. I don't think so, because I think a big part of the movie was the winks to the original series. Most people went to see it to see these characters again, this universe. They liked what they got right, they liked the references that were done well, it's just the flip side is the things got wrong also carried more weight. The story doesn't feel like it would work as a generic movie without ending up bland, there would need to be some other kind of catch, Guardians of the Galaxy style with the humor and/or music or something that sets it apart otherwise I think we'd end up with maybe a Jupiter Ascending bomb of a movie. ETA:I know people went to see it that never was into Trek before or seen any previous incarnations, but I can't believe they weren't even slightly aware of who Captain Kirk is and what the Enterprise was. I don't see them having the same energy being non-Trek films unless the writers/producers/directors were very eager and ambitious to establish a new independent sci-fi universe, but that's not what they signed on for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Idk, I certainly watched it because I'm a big fan of the 90s TV shows but I also try to watch anything that has to do with space travel. I'd likely have watched it anywayI think I would have liked it more without comparing it to the spirit of the past star treks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I actually liked the first one even if the science was crap. Did they really need to make Vulcan a 5 minute trip from Earth and then give the impression that it took hours to get back from Earth to Vulcan. "Red matter"?? What the heck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Another thing that I found missing is having the Enterprise more of a character. More establishing shots, graceful flying through space shots, fierce battle scenes where when the ship gets hit it feels like a person getting hurt. Nothing as heavy handed as TMP but definitely not the shaky cam, blurred, moving too fast "what was that?" images of the reboots. To quote my beloved Bones, "you treat her like a lady...and she'll always bring you home." Or, just watch the end of Voyage Home, seeing the new Enterprise that the crew has been given after they've saved Earth (again)--oh god, that scene makes me cry *every time.* The ship was always a character in ST. I miss that as well in the reboots. It's like, to the new! Trek, it's literally just a ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawkcabi Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 ." Or, just watch the end of Voyage Home, seeing the new Enterprise that the crew has been given after they've saved Earth (again)--oh god, that scene makes me cry *every time*.Easily one of my favorite Trek moments."My friends, we've truly come home." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I was hoping there'd be another film, so this pleases me. I've never seen any other Star Trek, but I did enjoy the reboots. Most of the criticism I've seen is around the idea that it's missing that sense of adventure, exploration and mysticism. I guess I can see that, particularly the second one seemed more like your average action film (or even superhero film) than sci-fi/futuristic stuff. The title for this one indicates a little bit that it's going to be more like that, and I hope it is. I probably won't watch it in cinema, but I might end up buying it on DVD or something. I remember Simon Pegg saying a while back that the story for this would be more of a traditional story about the Enterprise going exploring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I always thought a great way to do Kirk prequels would be a trilogy with that last scene of the 3rd movie would be the crew boarding the Enterprise for the first time.This was a great opportunity to really delve deep into previously unexplored Star Trek lore. Such as a more in depth look at Starfleet Academy life.But no it was all hurried over in a montage like mess and they are all a starship crew 30 minutes into the first movie.Or maybe I'm wrong and Kirk banging a green lady was the only worthwhile thing that ever happened on TOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I remember Simon Pegg saying a while back that the story for this would be more of a traditional story about the Enterprise going exploring. Good. If they go that route instead of trying to re-do a canon story, then the movie could be better than ST: ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Good. If they go that route instead of trying to re-do a canon story, then the movie could be better than ST: ID.That abbreviation looks way to similar to STD.Unlike some, I didn't hate Into Darkness, but then again I never watched the original series.On the other hand my parents like both the reboot films, and they're Trekkies.I'm looking forward to this. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I did like the first reboot. Not sure how or why it went off the rails for into darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobmartell Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I'm surprised to read that trek fans disliked Into Darkness enough to discredit the series completely. I thought the first outing was fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 First outing was just fine...provided you don't think of it as Trek... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Good. If they go that route instead of trying to re-do a canon story, then the movie could be better than ST: ID.There is no colon in the title. It is "Star Trek Into Darkness". I think it sounds stupid without a colon too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 There is no colon in the title. It is "Star Trek Into Darkness". I think it sounds stupid without a colon too. Oh, that's right. Thanks :) (stupid either way....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobmartell Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 First outing was just fine...provided you don't think of it as Trek...I've never been a Star Trek ethusist, orginal that is. NG on the other hand are my 90's. "All Good Things" was epic and a worthy finale. So, to me, the reboot was worth my money and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The first movie was just ok, there were a lot of things they did right, but it didn't have the feel of Star Trek (really more of a Star Wars feel actualy, which is why I'm hopeful for The Force Awakens). Basically my criteria for whether or no I'll be excited about this is if it has Klingons, all I want is a story revolving around Klingons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Basically my criteria for whether or no I'll be excited about this is if it has Klingons, all I want is a story revolving around Klingons.Maybe it will be about the virus that changed their looks.Kirk Klingons were way different than Picard Klingons.Would this be the right time for that? Help me out supernerds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Maybe it will be about the virus that changed their looks.Kirk Klingons were way different than Picard Klingons.Would this be the right time for that? Help me out supernerds!The Klingon that we know started in the first Star Trek movie.I heard various theories on the change but did not hear of a viral infection. I thought they were hybrids to interact with outsider while they hid their true selves or something along that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Maybe it will be about the virus that changed their looks.Kirk Klingons were way different than Picard Klingons.Would this be the right time for that? Help me out supernerds! That was actually explained in the TV show Stark Trek Enterprise (S4) ETA: you can just read Memory Alpha's synopsis of what happened since I try very hard to forget that ST ENT was ever at thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The Klingon that we know started in the first Star Trek movie.I heard various theories on the change but did not hear of a viral infection.I thought they were hybrids to interact with outsider while they hid their true selves or something along that line. Nah, the lack of ridges was the result of some genetic experiments that mutated with Levodian flu that almost wiped out the Klingons around the time of Star Trek: Enterprise. Because these experiments were being done on Augments embryos (Augments are what Khan was), the virus warped the DNA of some Klingons, so the ones who you see in the Original Series are those descended from those who's DNA was messed up. Later they would just get some cosmetic surgery to restore their ridges or they likely underwent some form of gene therapy to remove those genes.I'd be ok with in this universe, that never happened, this is an alternate timeline after all. Lets see Kirk clash against Kang, Kor, and Koloth, let us see bat'leth fights and glorious battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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