Melisandre's White Pubes Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Most people have a favorite theory for who Jon Snow's parents are. We talk about and defend our favorites all the time, and we know which camp most of us fall into. But what is your SECOND favorite theory? If your favorite isn't true, what do you think is the most likely alternative? My second favorite is Benjen and Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Personally it's not something I think about. Just as I don't spend much time coming up with alternatives to the theory of gravity. I guess I'd go with Ned and some woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCarWolf Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I would like to see it be Arthur Dayne, Jon wielding Dawn would be fantastic. Plus I don't want Jon to be a Targ, but that is like saying you don't want winter to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finger Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I suggest you to reread the chapter where Ned meets Barra, first book. Grrm all but comfirms R+L=J Btw, I wonder why so much is told about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallTale Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 hmm, the second best theory would be Brandon and Ashara Dayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCat Rivers Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 The thread title asks a different question than the OP... perhaps the word "likely" is mistakenly used meaning "prefered"? Anyway, I would have liked a main hero to be a bastard of (partly) humble origin. But as early as AGOT, it is evident that it's not likely at all. I do not believe there's a chance for any of the proposed alternatives, R+L is the only viable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan Jett Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 9 minutes ago, ShadowCat Rivers said: The thread title asks a different question than the OP... perhaps the word "likely" is mistakenly used meaning "prefered"? Anyway, I would have liked a main hero to be a bastard of (partly) humble origin. But as early as AGOT, it is evident that it's not likely at all. I do not believe there's a chance for any of the proposed alternatives, R+L is the only viable option. Do you believe that Jon isn't a bastard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Mostl likely alternative to me would be Ned+Ashara=Jon. But it's still miles behind RLJ in the terms of likelihood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCat Rivers Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 5 minutes ago, Joan Jett said: Do you believe that Jon isn't a bastard? Oh no, that was not what I meant... I wanted to say that I would have liked the option Ned + a common girl, that kind of bastard, instead of the "great bastard" kind. I'm more inclined to believe that, in regards to the technical part of his parents' marriage he is something in-between, there might have been an informal ceremony but not much really to give it legal acknowledgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I'm 99.99% sure that R + L = J is true but if not I think Aerys as the father is the only alternative that George might just about be able to pull off. He'd have to explain how was Aerys able to to impregnate her at the right time (e.g. she was hidden in the Red Keep for the first part of the Rebellion) but it's technically doable. Arthur + Lyana would be my preference, but I don't see it in any way a viable option. Too many plot holes to be filled. Edit: @Hand of the Kingslayer made me realise the errors of my way. I no longer believe in R+L=J and am 100% sure that Jon Jesus-Ahai is the product of immaculate conception. I am glad to finally see the light and have the answer to all my questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin' Bran Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I prefer AD+LS=JS Again, not probable. I suppose, Brandon + Ashara is more likely. Even though it is a combination of the same houses, it does not feel as legit for Jon to wield Dawn as Ser Arthur was the "Sword of the Morning" TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Sadly I believe rlj is near certainty. My favorite alternate theory is Ned and a fishwife, just because it would keep Ned as Jon's biological father. Sadly, this can't be true, as Ned would have no reason to hide Jon's mother's identity. Another is Lyanna and a sexy Dornish goatherd lol. This would explain why Ned lied about Jon's parentage (the shame of it!) and it would also explain Jon's Dornish appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds of Winter blow cold Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 50 minutes ago, Knight Of Winter said: Mostl likely alternative to me would be Ned+Ashara=Jon. But it's still miles behind RLJ in the terms of likelihood. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCat Rivers Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 1 minute ago, kimim said: Sadly I believe rlj is near certainty. My favorite alternate theory is Ned and a fishwife, just because it would keep Ned as Jon's biological father. Sadly, this can't be true, as Ned would have no reason to hide Jon's mother's identity. Another is Lyanna and a sexy Dornish goatherd lol. This would explain why Ned lied about Jon's parentage (the shame of it!) and it would also explain Jon's Dornish appearance. What dornish appearance? He looks all Stark, that's the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 1 hour ago, A Song of Ass and Fire said: Most people have a favorite theory for who Jon Snow's parents are. We talk about and defend our favorites all the time, and we know which camp most of us fall into. But what is your SECOND favorite theory? If your favorite isn't true, what do you think is the most likely alternative? My second favorite is Benjen and Lyanna. If it isn't Rhaegar and Lyanna it is Ned and the wet nurse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbent_Unbroken Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Ned and Ashara is the next best option. Ned would have no reason to lie if Jon really was his and some random commoner and Jon is too young to be Brandon's, unless you do some real stretching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 1. Jon is a bastard of Lyanna and Rhaegar. 2. Jon had a twin. 3. Ned did some sort of switcheroo/deception with Ashara and her child. There's something fishy going on with Ashara's death and her stillborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hand of the Kingslayer Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Immaculate conception Jon is actually a Dayne born one tower over from the TOJ, where Lyanna was giving birth to Dany. He is Brian to Dany's Jesus The Suicide Squad (ie: Night's Watch) did kinda just leave him pretty eff'd www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHk2RSMCS8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melisandre's White Pubes Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 55 minutes ago, Unbent_Unbroken said: Ned and Ashara is the next best option. Ned would have no reason to lie if Jon really was his and some random commoner and Jon is too young to be Brandon's, unless you do some real stretching. I could see Ned lying to protect a random commoner. Let's say the commoner is married, and Ned knew this. Her husband was away at war, but everybody in their village has heard that that she gave Ned a ride in her boat or tended his wounds, or something of the like. Husband died while he was away, and the famous honor of Ned makes the rumor that he is actually the father very unlikely to most people. To protect this honor of this woman that Ned liked enough to have sex with, he agrees to come back and take the babe away when it's born, and she will tell her family that it was stillborn. Ned can't say "Yes, I banged a fishwife down in the Crownlands, and Jon is mine" because it would get back to her family, and she would face dishonor and possible violence from her husband's family - everybody would figure out which fishwife it was because they all knew she spent time with Ned. But he couldn't leave the babe with her to raise as her husbands, because it might come out with the Stark look and people would question whether Ned was really that honorable, and the child could face a much worse life as a common bastard as opposed to one living in a castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 If it's not R + L = J then it is L + R = J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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