Lost Time Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Robert was the medieval equivalent of a frat boy. Not a bad dude really given the competition, just very flawed and immature. People generally like him because he was more or less just a laid back guy who just wanted to hunt with his friends, have sex, and party hard to escape the tragedies of his life (orphaned, losing his bride-to-be, being thrust into kingship,etc.). He wasn't some cold-calculating, emotionless tyrant like Tywin nor was he some honorable to a fault, distant, goody like Ned nor was he batshit crazy like Aerys. He was just...Bob - that mid 30s guy who never outgrew the frat bro lifestyle from his younger days. It also helps that fan favorite Ned was best bros with him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nami Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Nothing. He failed on all areas of his life. He was a good warrior when young, I give him that. But that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-L Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 He was a great warrior in his young years, that's it. He is still more likable than Stannis the hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhail Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 He killed the Targs when they went too far I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nami Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, The Wolves said: Robert's rule was a bloody massacre when the dead bodies of innocents were slaughtered just to get him on a chair he never supposedly wanted. It's not about honor its about justice which Robert as a newly made king should have given out to the Martells and KL for what the Lannisters did. If Robert had acted as a king should have when he came along that massacre in the Red Keep than TWot5Ks would have never have happened. I don't particularly think of Robert as a "bad" person but he's by no means a "good" one either. He was a weak person. That's the truth. His strength was physical and ended there. He was weak because he couldn't see his betrothed didn't like him, he was weak because to the end he was in denial over what happened with Lyanna, he was weak because he didn't face up the fact that his reign was built over dead children's bodies, and actually, he felt satisfaction that Rhaegar's children were brutally murdered, his last vengeance over the guy that "stole" his betrothed. What a pathetic character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 On 5/27/2016 at 3:45 PM, Gamel said: He lost the battle of Ashford, allowing the Tyrells to lay siege to Storm's End. Got pinned down at the Bells and was lucky to be rescued by the joint Stark/Arryn army. His main feat during the war was slaying Rhaegar in combat, but he was no great commander. His only defeat was Ashford was called indecisive by Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Nami said: He was a weak person. That's the truth. His strength was physical and ended there. He was weak because he couldn't see his betrothed didn't like him, he was weak because to the end he was in denial over what happened with Lyanna, he was weak because he didn't face up the fact that his reign was built over dead children's bodies, and actually, he felt satisfaction that Rhaegar's children were brutally murdered, his last vengeance over the guy that "stole" his betrothed. What a pathetic character. Word!!! And Lyanna was not the love of his life. Robert didn't even know her, he was obsessed with an idea of her. That's why when people bring up how Rhaegar stole Lyanna from Robert I can't seem to give a fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Gamel said: He lost the battle of Ashford, allowing the Tyrells to lay siege to Storm's End. Got pinned down at the Bells and was lucky to be rescued by the joint Stark/Arryn army. His main feat during the war was slaying Rhaegar in combat, but he was no great commander. - ashford was on reach territory with Tarly (one of the top commanders in westeros) having Mace´s entire army closing in on his vanguard against a remaining baratheon force from 3 battles prior... it takes a GREAT commander to even launch such an attempt (Russian campaign), ended bad but it takes napoleon levels to even convince an army to do so.... - vanguard commander at gulltown (first past the walls): flawless victory - overall commander at summerhall 3x: flawless victory - Bells wasn´t even a battle he commanded - Trident front commander (head of the army and target of an enemy superior in number): flawless victory - Overall commander at Pyke: flawless victory Again, few in asoiaf have a better land commanding CV... We have guys from Stannis (another all time great) to Jon Snow ("forced marches and midnight rides") to Ned Stark to Barristan Selmy ("he would've smash Sunspear"), and so on atesting to the facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariopatke Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Ned would not have been a Kiing for long time, by sending Jaime to Wall and killing Mountain he could have made a big enemy. Not to mention Dorne who would not be pleased with Gregors head and Viserys and Daenerys. Jon would have been a good King, but Sweetrobin? Yeah no. Stannis would have been similar to Ned not to mention he already has powerful enemies (Tyrells). Tywin is hated by half of Kingdom and he doesnt have good heirs. Robert is one true choise. He hated Rhaegar after he died? Ofcourse he did and so would I. He kidnaped and raped his fiancee and demamded his head (well this was Aerys but you know) for no reason. Why was he happy with deaths of children? Because lets face it it was a releif. If they lived they would have grown enough to opose him and would have to kill them in battle. Tywin did his dirty work that had to be done and this is why reacted that way. He did witness deaths of his parents. He did have Stannis as a brother. And just when he got his new father, brother he wanted and girl he dreamed of someone took it from him and demanded his head and head of his "brother". He went to fight only to see half of his own bannermen are disloyal to him, after he defeated them he befriended them which is not something that everyone can do, it is one thing for Robb fe to befriend Marbrands and whole other to befriend Glovers after battle because Glovers are supposed to be loyal to him. He fought for him, his family, frinds and mostly his love only to find out she is dead. Did he really love Lyanna that much? Probably not, but loved idea of that life. He is the best commander, good tactitian and man you want to follow to battle. He inspires devotion and loyalty because he is great friend and terrible enemy. After everything that has happened to him, he still did manage to find part of himself to be happy and friendly, see what happened to Stannis. These are people with tragic stories who deal wih problem on their own ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 From reading all the comments i guess George killed the Ultimate Villain and Great other of Panetos mid-AGOT... That's losing some story gold for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said: From reading all the comments i guess George killed the Ultimate Villain and Great other of Panetos mid-AGOT... That's losing some story gold for sure Nobody is calling Robert a villian, just an unlikable weak human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Beaudreau Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 agreed the Realm would have been better off, if Ned would have climbed the steps of the Throne and took it for himself, or if the would have put Jon Arryn on the Throne, or even left Jamie up there as the king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, The Wolves said: Nobody is calling Robert a villian, just an unlikable weak human being. Just an hyperbole, moral weakness is not as uncommon as it seems or easy to escape... particulary in a medieval setting story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said: Just an hyperbole, moral weakness is not as uncommon as it seems or easy to escape... particulary in a medieval setting story Everybody has their weak moments but Robert have had them everyday for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ned Stark Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I've long felt Robert was overly criticized on this forum. Spending fifteen years in the cesspool that his kingslanding would have an ill affect on most decent people. True he was king, and it was his job to clean up the royal court, but he was young, and his beloved mentor Jon Arryn pushed a lot of the bad choices onto him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Red Tree Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Well, Victarion is much worse but I still find him a cool character just on the grounds he is a powerful fighter and probably looks cool on his kraken armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 minute ago, King Ned Stark said: I've long felt Robert was overly criticized on this forum. Spending fifteen years in the cesspool that his kingslanding would have an ill affect on most decent people. True he was king, and it was his job to clean up the royal court, but he was young, and his beloved mentor Jon Arryn pushed a lot of the bad choices onto him. Robert being young is not an excuse for how horrible of a king he was. Ned was younger than Robert when he became Lord of Winterfell and he had two babies to take care of one to protect, a home to rebuild after losing half his family and a region to rule. Yet Ned did it and he did a damn good job of it. Plus Robert had been Lord of Storm's End for a few years, yeah I know running a region and country are different but Robert wasn't new to ruling or responsibility. Let's be real Robert liked being king. He liked the power that came with it, he liked when people admired him, indulged him etc..... Robert liked the perks that came with king(that's why he kept that ugly throne even after his fanboys claim up and down he didn't want it)he just didn't want the responsibly of being king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhail Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Robert just didnt give a shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetta Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 He gives Cersei some sweet backhand when she gets out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Red Tree Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I find debatable how "bad" ol' Rob was at kinging. He was probably still better than about half the targ kings. Yeah, remember those guys? Maegor, Aegon the Pervert, Baelor the self-starving. Aerys. He at least chose two good hands. Maybe not that good, but all things considered. Honest ones. If only he would keep a more watchful eye things could turn out very diffently. I think Robert's greatest flaw came from his greatest strenght: Being an unmatched warrior. Like Pycelle said in the show: "If a man goes through life with his battle visor down, he can often be blind to the enemies at his side". That about sums it all up. Anyway, did any of y'all ever heard that "behind every great man there is a great woman" or something like that? Well, behind that bad king there was a much, much worser queen. Cersei is basically the reason the War of the Five Kings happened, though it was Littlefinger that pulled the strings. It was certainly a medieval mistake, putting too much faith in the power of political marriages, ignoring other factors (Such as a union's ability to produce healthy, strong heirs, and in this case, if the girl isn't both imoral and bat-shit crazy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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