Relic Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Just on FB talking with my friend who is in Istanbul right now. Her last three messages - Babe I have to go Bombs just went off Air dropped Fuck.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Even Gulen, who Erdogan is accusing of being behind the coup, has released a statement condemning the attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Horse of Kent said: Even Gulen, who Erdogan is accusing of being behind the coup, has released a statement condemning the attempt. If Gülen's movement is really behind all this, he's probably desperate right now to get some deniability on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophelia Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 This is horrible - it was sounding like things were just fizzling out and minimal people would get hurt, but this is frightening. Seeing it on people's facebook pages etc., you have a feeling it could happen here, anywhere. Surreal yet deathly real too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Just now, Veltigar said: If Gülen's movement is really behind all this, he's probably desperate to get some deniability on his side. If the movement was behind it then this shows they have no more hope for the coup's success. If it was not and this is a genuine statement, then it is extremely unlikely that the coup could ever have worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Apparently this is Erdogan's plane. Stopped circling and is now coming into Istanbul. https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 how many effing times do Islamists need to take over governments for us to learn our lesson that this won't be some birth of democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Horse of Kent said: If the movement was behind it then this shows they have no more hope for the coup's success. If it was not and this is a genuine statement, then it is extremely unlikely that the coup could ever have worked. True. I wonder what the outcome will be. With out luck, Tayyip will probably use a wave of popular support to rewrite the constitution and turn Turkey into a presidential system, as he has wanted to do for quite some time. If the coup is unsuccesful (which seems likely right now), the best thing we can hope for is that his confidence is rocked enough for him roll back those plans and take a good hard look at what he's been doing. Perhaps make a few compromises and scale back on his sultanate plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, Commodore said: how many effing times do Islamists need to take over governments for us to learn our lesson that this won't be some birth of democracy Turkey's democratic government is one of if not the longest continuous democracies in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dickwad Poster #3784 said: Turkey's democratic government is one of if not the longest continuous democracies in Europe. Their last successful coup was in 1980... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 26 minutes ago, Veltigar said: If Gülen's movement is really behind all this, he's probably desperate right now to get some deniability on his side. Yeh I suspect some of these condemning statements could be preemptive ass coverings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Just heard that Erdogan has returned to Istanbul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 17 minutes ago, Altherion said: Their last successful coup was in 1980... Yeah, that's fair. In which case it's been longer than at least half of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Just now, Dickwad Poster #3784 said: Turkey's democratic government is one of if not the longest continuous democracies in Europe. Europe? Geographically speaking mere 3% of the Turkish territory lies in Europe, with the the somewhat bigger potion of 97% is on the Asian continent. Culturally? Nah, I won't touch that one with a stick. Anyway, it seems like the coup failed. Nothing to see here, move along. Personally I had somewhat mixed feelings about that. Military coups a bad as a matter of principle, but getting rid of the Mad Erdo would have been nice. 30 minutes ago, Veltigar said: Google Böhmermann and the whole lawsuit against him. Then you'll know why I used goatfucker. Ahum, the controversy started somewhat differently. German satire show Extra 3 (pronounced extra dry) took aim at Erdogan with a song to the tune of a Nena song (I linked the version with English subs in the middle eastern thread back then). They did not need to go to the sexual preferences of Erdogan to get him mad. Erdo demanded that the song should be deleted, called in the German ambassador to Turkey and was throwing quite a tantrum. That started a controversy over free speech and how meek the German politicians act(ed) towards Turkey, because the EU and the German goverment in particular so desperately wanted that refugee deal with Turkey. Böhmermann then wrote that poem to educate Erdogan on the difference between satire and smearing (the poem was called Smear Poem), to show what is legal and what's not (he embedded in a segment in which he said, the following poem is not covered by free speech). Extra 3 themselves doubled down on the controversy and replayed the song that started the controversy with Turkish subs. The Extra 3 show anchor Christian Ehring himself remarked he was taken by surprise over the reaction that song provoked on the Turkish site, since it was pretty tame by their standards, and they did a much sharper piece on German vice chancellor Sigmar Gabriel a week later, and sarcastically remarked, that he will probably change his holiday schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Goatfucker is a generic insult, not a racial slur. It reminds of that stupid controversy when someone called Requires Only Hate a rabid animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Looks like the coup forces in Istanbul are surrendering. However, there is fighting in Ankara. The parliament has been bombed and apparently another news studio has been occupied by soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pumpkin Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I'm watching BBC. There's video of people out on the streets, walking en masse down what I assume is a motorway. There's video of unarmed men in civilian clothes swarming on top of a tank. It appears to be happening in response to Erdogan's call to go against the order for curfew. Intelligence services saying now that the coup is dispersed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophelia Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Some people in Istanbul are reporting there have been no bombs there and all the explosions were sonic booms from the jets (by mistake or on purpose) ... hope you hear from your friend again soon Relic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pumpkin Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I'm calling doublethink, if you simultaneously believe both in democracy and in military coups to overthrow democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I'm hearing that there is fire being exchanged between the army and police in Istanbul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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