Dorian Martell's son Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 On 1/8/2017 at 3:59 AM, PirateVergo said: he's just a poor man's Robert Baratheon He was far more than that. He was a plot device used to convey hints about Jon's parentage and give you insight of what house stark has been like in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Lord of Raventree Hall said: He went to war and cost countless lives over a woman who turned him down. Utter . First it was Jon A. who called the banners, Aerys who called for Robert’s and Ned’s heads and third no one so far knew why Lyanna left. From all the Westerosi knew Rhaegar kidnapped and raped her. You would had been right if everyone in Westeros knew that Lyanna left with her own free will, her family was ok with than and allowed it, Aerys hadn't ordered for Ned's and Robert's heads and after all those things Robert would call his banners to start a war. How on GRRTH was RR Robert’s fault. That is blind hate without logical reasoning. 5 hours ago, Lord of Raventree Hall said: Except the rape one. Cersei says it in POV. Why would she lie to herself? Cersei has proved to be an unreliable PoV. She lies about Robert for the same reason she lied about killing Melara. Even Cersei has tittles of consciousness and because that is unbearable she has to make excuses about herself, in Melara’s case was that she was trying to *steal* Jaime and in Robert’s case that he raped her when she had already told that Quote In the rare event that Rob leaves his whores for long enough to stumble drunk into my bed, I finish him off in other ways. In the morning he doesn’t remember… 4 hours ago, Dorian Martell's son said: He was far more than that. He was a plot device used to convey hints about Jon's parentage and give you insight of what house stark has been like in the past. True. Brandon show us how interesting the Stark was before boring Ned becoming the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 how long before this thread becomes Robert haters Galore? Normally it takes less than 2 pages, and it's often folks who elevate rhaegar with Cersei logic with jack for evidence just because he MIGHT be a famous sperm donor who has been dead 15 Years prior to the books and who's greatest feat is tanking a warhammer like a boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said: how long before this thread becomes Robert haters Galore? Normally it takes less than 2 pages, and it's often folks who elevate rhaegar with Cersei logic with jack for evidence just because he MIGHT be a famous sperm donor who has been dead 15 Years prior to the books and who's greatest feat is tanking a warhammer like a boss The funny thing about it is how among other things blame Robert for starting RR. As if Robert had the choice to not fight and just go home and live the rest of his life there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 15 hours ago, Jon's Queen Consort said: The funny thing about it is how among other things blame Robert for starting RR. As if Robert had the choice to not fight and just go home and live the rest of his life there. well, every soul has a view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 On 1/8/2017 at 8:19 PM, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: Ned is just a poor man's Stannis. Everyone is a poor man's Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said: well, every soul has a view... You are right; however there are some things that are not up to personal opinion. Where in the effing books it was told that Robert was the one who started the war and knew that Lyanna eloped with Rhaegar? Seriously people, if you want someone to take you seriously at least try to support your opinion from the books. Robert being the one who is to blame for the war isn’t in the effing books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fresh PtwP Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 On 1/12/2017 at 4:38 AM, The Drunkard said: Everyone is a poor man's Stannis. This is probably the best thing that's going to come out of this thread. As to OP: yeah...he also shows in an indirect way why Ned got along so well with Robert despite them being so different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Or maybe a heavily patriarchal society that places no value on female agency would create dudes from the noble class with similar modes of behavior, including quick fuses and a lot of sex regardless of the implications for anyone else ¯\_(シ)_/¯. Brandon is dead when the series begins. I'm sure if we got to know him on-page there'd be nuances to his personality that further differentiate him; it's just not his role in the story. But it's not exactly an out-of-place archetype here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 If you want to compare Brandon with somebody . Try Oberyn Martell both are ladies' men and both love the song of swords and both are dedicated to their families and both are hotheads Brandon challenging Rhaegar , while Oberyn trying to raise Dorne for Viserys . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOVMO Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 On 1/8/2017 at 8:34 AM, Jon's Queen Consort said: Neither Robert nor Brandon were jerks. We don't know what kind of fighter Brandon was, we know that he had talent but he had never the chance to fight in a war. Brandon hadn't the chance to fight with Rhaegar like Robert. We don't know what kind of brother Brandon was. We don't know how many bastards Brandon has. You are right the Wild wolf is bland. Almost word for word I was going to type this until I saw yours. I can't believe how in synch we were about responding. As a side note, here is a conversation I don't imagine happened very much. "We are having guests tonight for supper" "Oh wonderful, who will be joining us" "Brandon Stark, The Wild Wolf" "Oh lord, not him again....this is going to be a dreadfully dull affair" On 1/8/2017 at 7:19 AM, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: Ned is just a poor man's Stannis. I think this is far more accurate than the idea that Brandon is a poor man's Robert. First of all, Stannis is the brother to a king. While Brandon was alive he was the scion of one of, if not the oldest houses in all of Westeros and Robert was the scion of a house which only existed by the grace of Aegon Targaryen. Not to demean Robert at all, this is still a pretty great position -- but if you think of terms of who would have been in a higher position, the adult son of Rickard Stark and heir to Winterfell or the adolescent heir to the stormlands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 6 hours ago, YOVMO said: Almost word for word I was going to type this until I saw yours. I can't believe how in synch we were about responding. As a side note, here is a conversation I don't imagine happened very much. "We are having guests tonight for supper" "Oh wonderful, who will be joining us" "Brandon Stark, The Wild Wolf" "Oh lord, not him again....this is going to be a dreadfully dull affair" "Oh no! He will start talk about his stamps and insects collections again. He is such a nerd!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOVMO Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 11 hours ago, Jon's Queen Consort said: "Oh no! He will start talk about his stamps and insects collections again. He is such a nerd!" Yes, as everyone knows "The Wild Wolf" was only one of his nicknames. Many of the northern houses where he was known best called him the Fatiguing philatelist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, YOVMO said: Yes, as everyone knows "The Wild Wolf" was only one of his nicknames. Many of the northern houses where he was known best called him the Fatiguing philatelist Also known as the man with a thousand and one stamps, heir to a collection of stamps sourced from the arbor to the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 22 hours ago, YOVMO said: I think this is far more accurate than the idea that Brandon is a poor man's Robert. First of all, Stannis is the brother to a king. While Brandon was alive he was the scion of one of, if not the oldest houses in all of Westeros and Robert was the scion of a house which only existed by the grace of Aegon Targaryen. Not to demean Robert at all, this is still a pretty great position -- but if you think of terms of who would have been in a higher position, the adult son of Rickard Stark and heir to Winterfell or the adolescent heir to the stormlands? To be fair yovmo, the starks also survived by the grace of aegon, and the baratheon house is descended by the storm kings (as old or older than the starks since bran the builder was a boy and Durran was a young adult when the two met) and old valyria, two entities who had at one point great land "empires" that the starks never managed (or believed to be capable) to aquire... Brandon was born the same year as Robert if i recall aswell, 262 A.C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOVMO Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 7 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said: Also known as the man with a thousand and one stamps, heir to a collection of stamps sourced from the arbor to the wall. I think you mean A Thousand Stamps and One Stamp --- Stampraven 2 hours ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said: To be fair yovmo, the starks also survived by the grace of aegon, and the baratheon house is descended by the storm kings (as old or older than the starks since bran the builder was a boy and Durran was a young adult when the two met) and old valyria, two entities who had at one point great land "empires" that the starks never managed (or believed to be capable) to aquire... How much of the original Storm King Blood was left in modern day Baratheon's though. I mean, if we want to get exact, Brandon is from an unbroken line dating back 8 millennia of Stark men. However, you are right, it is a very small point. 2 hours ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said: Brandon was born the same year as Robert if i recall aswell, 262 A.C This took me back, but you are exactly right. For some reason I picture Brandon being older than both Robert and Ned in a way that Robb is older than Bran and Rickon, but you are totally right. Still, I would say that it would be odd to call Brandon a poor man's Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 9 hours ago, YOVMO said: How much of the original Storm King Blood was left in modern day Baratheon's though. I mean, if we want to get exact, Brandon is from an unbroken line dating back 8 millennia of Stark men. However, you are right, it is a very small point. This took me back, but you are exactly right. For some reason I picture Brandon being older than both Robert and Ned in a way that Robb is older than Bran and Rickon, but you are totally right. Still, I would say that it would be odd to call Brandon a poor man's Robert. I got what you meant, and i agree that at the time the heir to the north was more valuable than the heir to the stormlands, particulary to the IT, who had the baratheons as close kin already. The amount of wolf blood or targ/durrandon blood is mute so, yeah i guess brandon was more "pure" if that meant anything at all... It's normal to make that mistake because Brandon is ned's older brother and robert is ned's best friend, so we tend to give best friends the same age almost by default. Everyone is a poor man's robert seriously though, brandon was a typical wolf blooded stark (unlike ned or benjen), yeah he had the same mercurial temper as robert, but bobby was a larger than life character type wich makes similar men look lesser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOVMO Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said: I got what you meant, and i agree that at the time the heir to the north was more valuable than the heir to the stormlands, particulary to the IT, who had the baratheons as close kin already. The amount of wolf blood or targ/durrandon blood is mute so, yeah i guess brandon was more "pure" if that meant anything at all... It's normal to make that mistake because Brandon is ned's older brother and robert is ned's best friend, so we tend to give best friends the same age almost by default. Everyone is a poor man's robert seriously though, brandon was a typical wolf blooded stark (unlike ned or benjen), yeah he had the same mercurial temper as robert, but bobby was a larger than life character type wich makes similar men look lesser I can have peace on these terms lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilish Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Robert and Ned relationship worked well because one was the alpha and the other one was his beta. Brandon and Robert would clash immediately with the former refusing to bend the knee to a person who couldn't raise half his bannermen despite his region being the size of Winterfell's internal swimming pool. They would clash regardign Robert's crown and then they would clash again when its evident that R+L=J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 3 hours ago, devilish said: Robert and Ned relationship worked well because one was the alpha and the other one was his beta. Brandon and Robert would clash immediately with the former refusing to bend the knee to a person who couldn't raise half his bannermen despite his region being the size of Winterfell's internal swimming pool. They would clash regardign Robert's crown and then they would clash again when its evident that R+L=J. Well the Stormlands had a preety gigantic tie to the IT compared to the north, so it's normal lords were on the fence... Because there is no doubt in the books Robert had more charisma and leadership in one hand than most in their entire body, including Brandon Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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