DunderMifflin Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: And Cruz offered his alien self. And Jeb offered his self. No currency was exchanged between Trump and the media. I'm not going to argue in circles with you. I think you are being pretty restrictive in your defining of "free" here. In my understanding of free, just because you didn't pay for something with physical currency doesn't automatically mean you got it for free. And just LOL@ the idea of Cruz or Jeb being anywhere in the same league as Trump for clickbaiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 40 minutes ago, TheKitttenGuard said: Obama commuted Chelsea Manning's sentence. Stated she will be out by May: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/obama-commutes-chelsea-mannings-sentence-233722 I just feel such an explosion of happiness right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Quote I think you are being pretty restrictive in your defining of "free" here. In my understanding of free is just because you didn't pay for something with physical currency doesn't automatically mean you got it for free. The nice thing is since I made the statement, I get to define what I meant by free. I didn't for example include the cost of the mental stress of various female members of the media that had to deal with Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 So it looks many on the Left are rediscovering why they liked Wikileaks. Many on the Right are rediscovering whey they hated Wikileaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Week said: So, his cost was adding a single addition to that list (stalin). He was already well known as an orange haired sexist racist clickbait orangutan. No, he had to still be that everyday. Saying something wacky last week doesn't get you coverage today. You gotta come up with new clickbait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, TheKitttenGuard said: So it looks many on the Left are rediscovering why they liked Wikileaks. Many on the Right are rediscovering whey they hated Wikileaks. the distinction is whether they damage the DNC or the US military Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, TheKitttenGuard said: So it looks many on the Left are rediscovering why they liked Wikileaks. Many on the Right are rediscovering whey they hated Wikileaks. Wuuuut? Being happy that Ms. Manning is receiving a commuted sentence has little to do with one's feelings on wikileaks. That would be like saying that one's feelings about heroin addiction changes just because one is happy that a low-level drug offenders had their convictions pardoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, Maithanet said: The cost to Donald is the political cost of whatever outrageous thing the media is fixated on that day. The difference is that he managed to be simultaneously outrageous and on-message. He would intentionally say things that would be offensive in order to generate media coverage and stand out from the crowd of "typical politicians". No politician in America had ever tried that before. Which didn't seem to cost him much at the end of the day. Seems to me he was more or less bullet-proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, DunderMifflin said: No, he had to still be that everyday. Saying something wacky last week doesn't get you coverage today. You gotta come up with new clickbait. Clickbait is agnostic to time and frequency. "Narcissistic attention whore" would have been a more appropriate descriptor both before and after his campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Mexal said: I think this is true. I just don't believe there will be a plan from the Republicans that they'd agree with. Their approach is the antithesis of what they believe in. If they take the same elements from Obamacare, fix them and call it Trumpcare, I think they'd be ok with that. Yeah this is probably correct. And it would be political suicide if the Republicans repeal the ACA without a 60 vote deal already in place. The markets would tank and the Republicans would get the lion share of the blame, if not all of it. I can't fathom why anyone would think a repeal bill without an immediate replace is a smart idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Which didn't seem to cost him much at the end of the day. Seems to me he was more or less bullet-proof. Most of the time it was all benefit, because it was on message, and Trump could flip any scrutiny of his statements into "the PC-police media are out to get me!" There were a few times when he slipped up, mostly when he was perceived as punching below his weight class. Taking on the media or Megyn Kelly or Rosie O'Donnell or Mexicans is fine. Going after the Khans or Alicia Machado or Judge Curiel....less so. His polling numbers suffered whenever he did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: Ex-'Apprentice' contestant claiming groping, kissing by Trump sues him for defamation Lawsuit could lead to the release of long-sought outtakes from the president-elect’s reality TV show. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/summer-zervos-trump-lawsuit-apprentice-233716 It would be funny if this is what did him in. But I doubt we'll be that lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Ormond said: If he can get his wife and kids to vote for him, couldn't he be President Scot or Prime Minister Scot instead? Y'all over estimate my popularity in "Scot-land". I'm currently and always will be, at best a figurehead behind Queen Ellison, The Queen Mother, and Princess Ellison. The Prince and I just try to keep our heads down and avoid trouble. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Commodore said: the distinction is whether they damage the DNC or the US military More that does it hurt your perceived opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 54 minutes ago, WinterFox said: And finally the Altherion, a more recent evolution. This breed and this breed alone knows the truth, that the political class is simply playing their musical chairs and nothing that is happening matters in the grand scheme. All of the news sources except the ones he recommends are pure propaganda, all purported 'facts' are lies, civil rights have caused the erosion of natural decency by 'regulating thoughts', every organization has an agenda except his which only has TRUTH on the agenda, and he does not support one candidate or party over the other because they're all out to get you but you need to vote Republican to hope for a change, oh and equality is another word for socialism. There are a lot of claims here some of which are mostly true and some of which are not merely false, but completely bizarre. First, I am not sure why you think that I am a Republican. I have never in my life been registered as a Republican or voted for a Republican candidate in any election. The closest I came to it is voting for Trump (who is rather far from a standard Republican), but in the end I decided not to because he is too unpredictable (an easy choice given that my vote would have meant nothing). Of the various candidates in this election, my political views are closest to those of Bernie Sanders with my main criticisms of his positions being that he is not nearly radical enough on economic policy and much too timid in his rejection of identity politics. Second, the political class is indeed simply playing musical chairs, although I would not go as far as saying that nothing that is happening matters (it's hard to predict what will end up mattering though). Third, all of the news sources including the ones I recommend are propaganda. I am merely suggesting that people read or watch a more diverse selection of them. And no, not all purported facts are lies. However, many are built on much shakier mathematical ground than those who propagate them let on and quite a few others come with large caveats (and yes, some really are outright lies). Finally, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about regarding "natural decency" and the like; I'm fairly confident that I've never said anything of the sort. It's true that in the general election, the candidate corresponding to change was Republican, but this is idea is fairly uncontroversial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, Commodore said: guess Obama isn't really concerned about cyber attacks or WikiLeaks as indefensible pardons go, this ranks right behind Marc Rich This isn't a pardon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, mormont said: This isn't a pardon. We're post truth. It's a pardon as long as you think of it as a pardon. The facts don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: 11 minutes ago, Week said: Just now, The Anti-Targ said: We're post truth. It's a pardon as long as you think of it as a pardon. The facts don't matter. It's like calling someone racist or sexist. Truth fails to matter once it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, The Anti-Targ said: We're post truth. It's a pardon as long as you think of it as a pardon. The facts don't matter. QFT. I'm already seeing the dumb conservatives I know calling it a pardon on facebook, and believing it's a pardon and getting all bent out of shape about this pardon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, mormont said: This isn't a pardon. distinction without a difference in this case, his time served was a drop in the bucket of a life sentence Manning was smart to stroke lefty erogenous zones to garner sympathy, Snowden did essentially the same thing but no pardon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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