Livesundersink Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Pikachu101 said: Seems to me that the tradition was to marry your children to vassals within your region, looking at the Stark family tree Catelyn seems to be the only Southern bride but that’s because Rickard was part of the Southern ambitions so went against what was the norm. I personally think arranged marriages are better than love marriages in Westeros. The Starks have married with the Royces and the Blackwoods before, but that's about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu101 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 17 minutes ago, Livesundersink said: The Starks have married with the Royces and the Blackwoods before, but that's about it Don't know about Lorra, but Alysanne Blackwood married Cregan in exchange for the pardon of Corlys Velaryon so that's an exception to the norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 We can say they generally/always married brides of first men origin. A few stark women married to people from other regions though; besides marrying Royces and that one time Arryn marriage immediately after conquest, one married house Willum from the reach for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 While not relevant to the idea of the thread, there's also something that got me thinking; what determines whether the wedding would take place in the bride's family seat or the groom's? For some examples Eddard and Jon Arryn married in Riverrun, though we know it was for convenience reasons, Brandon was also supposed to marry there, as seen with him staying around. Edmure marries in Twins, but let's also rule that out as this was an "apology" of sorts. Though we don't know where Lyanna and Robert was going to married, I'm fairly certain it was not in Winterfell as Robert never goes there before the books. Torrhen's daughter marries in the Vale, with her brothers not going to the Wedding. Robert and Cersei marries in King's Landing. Rhaegar and Elia marries in King's Landing. Lysa and Petyr's marriagae takes place in the Eyrie Redfort-Royce marriage happens in Runestone if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 Since I have a lot of spare time at the moment, I have decided to revive this thread, will update the first post soon I hope! Will include marriages that were planned as well as that happened. Here are some planned marriages Men Women Lannister Tully (Jaime and Lysa) Baratheon Stark (Robert and Lyanna, Joffrey and Sansa) Stark Frey. (Robb and any Frey girl) Frey. Stark (Arya and Elmar) Tully Redwyne (Bryndan and Bethany) Tully Bracken (Brynden and unknown) Tully Frey (Brynden and unknown) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 So if Jon Arryn hadn’t been poisoned, would Robert have suggested marrying Joffrey to Sansa? I’m actually of the opinion that Hoster should have tried for a match between Brynden and Genna Lannister. Tytos really botched that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: So if Jon Arryn hadn’t been poisoned, would Robert have suggested marrying Joffrey to Sansa? I’m actually of the opinion that Hoster should have tried for a match between Brynden and Genna Lannister. Tytos really botched that one. Possibly not. They weren't in much contact with each other. Genna was already married when Hoster became a lord though, it happened even before the ninepennies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 We could talk about mismatches too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therae Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 12/8/2017 at 0:20 AM, Corvo the Crow said: While not relevant to the idea of the thread, there's also something that got me thinking; what determines whether the wedding would take place in the bride's family seat or the groom's? [snip] Seems like, while not a hard and fast rule, weddings are generally at the bride's home, unless there is a an obvious reason why it wouldn't be, like that it's a royal wedding, which would pretty much be an event held in the capital if at all possible (or if the bride is a hostage of the crown being wed into the extended royal family). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphis Baratheon Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 5:53 AM, Angel Eyes said: I’m actually of the opinion that Hoster should have tried for a match between Brynden and Genna Lannister. Tytos really botched that one. Yup, if anything Tytos should have married Genna to the heir of the Twins. The Freys maybe a relatively young House but they are rich and their castle holds strategic importance with it's locations. I could see Tywin not having a problem with Genna marrying a Frey as long as he had some sort of guarantee Genna's children would be the heirs to the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faera Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 02/05/2018 at 2:03 PM, Corvo the Crow said: Possibly not. They weren't in much contact with each other. Genna was already married when Hoster became a lord though, it happened even before the ninepennies.. Agreed. I think Jon Arryn's death probably got Robert in a sentimental mood. Odds are on Joffrey would have married someone else. Given that Cersei was already slating Robert to be killed because she was frightened of him putting her aside for another woman (Margaery seems to have been the pick as far as Renly was concerned), it is unlikely that Robert would have had a chance to put the match to Ned before he died. Moreover I have a feeling Ned had thought about matches for his kids even if nothing was official (Even Jon's possible matches probably crossed his mind) and from the offset he didn't seem to want Sansa to marry Joffrey. I reckon Ned was probably looking to the traditional allies of the Starks - Blackwood and Royce - for any marriages outside of the North. Perhaps even one of the girls had been slated for Sweetrobin somewhere in his head. Also agree that Tytos should have asked Walder Grey specifically for his heir or his hero's direct line to be Genna's husband and no less. Truth is, as the Lord Paramount in the Westerlands, Genna should have married either one of her father's principle bannermen or the son of some other Lord Paramount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitterblooms Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Sansa and Joffrey are actually a pretty sensible match for Jon Arryn to suggest if Joffrey wasn't a monster. After all both fathers were his wards at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Bitterblooms said: Sansa and Joffrey are actually a pretty sensible match for Jon Arryn to suggest if Joffrey wasn't a monster. After all both fathers were his wards at one time. On paper, yes. But Robert apparently didn't cotton on to Joffrey being a muenster after knocking his teeth out after the cat business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 So what’s in a successful, loving marriage if spouses don’t choose each other? How is a marriage like Ned’s and Catelyn’s relatively successful with mutual affection while Robert’s and Cersei’s crashes and burns, filled with infidelity, wine and bile? What separates Catelyn, a woman who hates her husband’s bastard yet allows him to stay at their castle, from Cersei, who organized mass murder of her husband’s bastards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukle Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 44 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: So what’s in a successful, loving marriage if spouses don’t choose each other? How is a marriage like Ned’s and Catelyn’s relatively successful with mutual affection while Robert’s and Cersei’s crashes and burns, filled with infidelity, wine and bile? What separates Catelyn, a woman who hates her husband’s bastard yet allows him to stay at their castle, from Cersei, who organized mass murder of her husband’s bastards? I think you kind of answered your own question. I assume it was rhetorical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Yukle said: I think you kind of answered your own question. I assume it was rhetorical? No. Wasn’t rhetorical at all. Did you like my jazz joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Assuming he lives, who will Trystane end up with? The Myrcella match going through seems a bit unlikely after the attack by Gerold Dayne, among other things IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 On 09/11/2017 at 1:57 AM, Angel Eyes said: That would explain the controversy when Tytos Lannister arranged a marriage for Genna to Emmon Frey. I think that someone can marry into the lesser houses of their kingdom. Tytos Lannister married Jeyne Marbrand, while Ned’s paternal grandmother is a Locke I always thought Tywin disliked this match so much because of who Genna was marrying , not where they were from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 On 11/20/2017 at 2:52 AM, Corvo the Crow said: The Stark-Baratheon union Robert always wanted; A Lyanna look alike marrying a Robert look alike! We only need a Ned(or Brandon) look alike to marry a Catelyn look alike and it would look like the original southron ambitions would be fullfilled. I think that's one of the reasons why people ship Jon and Sansa, particularly if Rhaegar is Jon's father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 On 11/11/2017 at 5:41 PM, Faera said: Hoster Tully wanted advantageous marriages for his children. So, he would have likely wanted a daughter from a Great House or a prolific family that would benefit his house and the Riverlands. He married Catelyn to a Stark (The North) and Lysa was supposed to marry Jaime Lannister (The Westerlands) before he was called to the Kingsguard, and eventually married Jon Arryn (The Vale of Arryn). These are all Great Lords of Great Houses in kingdoms that border the Riverlands. Thus, he would likely have sought a daughter of a Great House from either the Westerlands or the Reach. As others have suggested, if Mace wasn't so deadset on seeing Margaery as Queen she would make a worthy match for Edmure. We know that Hoster wanted Brynden to marry a Redwyne, so he certainly had some aspirations for closer relations with the Reach. If he wanted to keep things at home, he would have chosen someone from one of the more prolific bannermen of the Riverlands who could better reinforce the Tully family's place as Lords Paramount. True, though I doubt he knew what Viserys was like seeing as the arrangement was made when Arianne and Viserys were children. Historically the lord paramount have mostly married within their own region. Marrying outside ones region is more of a expetion than a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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