Men. Men. Men.

[Dr. Pepper]

Just now, Eggegg said:

Simply put, you are commenting on what its like to be a man, despite not being a man. You should bow out.

You should delete your account.  

I'm commenting on basic science.  Your cock does not control your brain.  Any five year old could tell you that your cock does not control your brain.  Repeat it.  Your cock does not control your brain. Stop allowing yourself to believe alternative anatomy facts.  Your cock does not control your brain.  

[mormont]

8 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

You.  do. not. have. a. cock.

Is the point invalid, then?

I mean, if we're arguing purely from personal experience, then we're never going to get anywhere. Everyone's personal experience is different, yes, even people who have cocks and are not you. Some of them have already disagreed with you on this point, so that kills your 'personal experience' argument stone dead. 

I'll repeat: if you're saying that male sexual desire is somehow not only different from female sexual desire but different to the extent that it sometimes cannot be controlled, or at least is significantly harder to control, then please explain how. Ideally, with some sort of evidence other than your own assertions. If that's all you've got, then with all due respect, you've got nothing. 

[DanteGabriel]

7 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

Simply put, you are commenting on what its like to be a man, despite not being a man. You should bow out.

Seems like you should bow out for lack of the other part of this equation.

[Eggegg]

8 minutes ago, mormont said:

Is the point invalid, then?

I mean, if we're arguing purely from personal experience, then we're never going to get anywhere. Everyone's personal experience is different, yes, even people who have cocks and are not you. Some of them have already disagreed with you on this point, so that kills your 'personal experience' argument stone dead. 

I'll repeat: if you're saying that male sexual desire is somehow not only different from female sexual desire but different to the extent that it sometimes cannot be controlled, or at least is significantly harder to control, then please explain how. Ideally, with some sort of evidence other than your own assertions. If that's all you've got, then with all due respect, you've got nothing. 

Do I find it a bit odd that a woman is trying to womansplain what its like to be a man.. to a man? Yes I do in fact as she has zero personal experience of what its like to have a cock. I wouldn't presume to explain to her what the experience of having a period is like either.

Now obviously I don't believe that the 'cock controls  the brain' its a euphemism,  Dr Pepper seems to want to take everything everyone says as literal as possible.

And yes I do believe that female desire and male desire is inherently different and exhibits itself in different ways. This is not only from my personal experience but from many things I've read and friends I've talked to as well as exes and my wife. 

Also, yes men CAN control their sexual desire and most often do, but that doesn't mean its not often always there bubbling away in the background, driving many of their actions and motivations.

[Ormond]

2 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

Do I find it a bit odd that a woman is trying to womansplain what its like to be a man.. to a man? Yes I do in fact as she has zero personal experience of what its like to have a cock. I wouldn't presume to explain to her what the experience of having a period is like either.

Now obviously I don't believe that the 'cock controls  the brain' its a euphemism,  Dr Pepper seems to want to take everything everyone says as literal as possible.

And yes I do believe that female desire and male desire is inherently different and exhibits itself in different ways. This is not only from my personal experience but from many things I've read and friends I've talked to as well as exes and my wife. 

Also, yes men CAN control their sexual desire and most often do, but that doesn't mean its not often always there bubbling away in the background, driving many of their actions and motivations.

There are average differences between male and female sexual desire, but as with everything else, there is an overlap and a few women have higher levels of sexual desire than the average man. 

And I don't believe that makes female and male desire "inherently different." When you get people to write descriptions of what an orgasm feels like, and take out words referring to specific anatomical parts, people cannot tell the difference between descriptions written by men and those written by women. With a bit of imagination, women should be able to understand what it would mean to have sexual desire that is more visually oriented and more easily activated -- and men should also be able to understand what it would be like to have sexual desire that is less visually oriented and less easily activated. We are all members of the same species and similarities between the genders are greater than average differences. 

[Darth Richard II]

I have a cock.

It does not control my brain.

 

(what the fuck)

[Eggegg]

55 minutes ago, Ormond said:

There are average differences between male and female sexual desire, but as with everything else, there is an overlap and a few women have higher levels of sexual desire than the average man. 

And I don't believe that makes female and male desire "inherently different." When you get people to write descriptions of what an orgasm feels like, and take out words referring to specific anatomical parts, people cannot tell the difference between descriptions written by men and those written by women. With a bit of imagination, women should be able to understand what it would mean to have sexual desire that is more visually oriented and more easily activated -- and men should also be able to understand what it would be like to have sexual desire that is less visually oriented and less easily activated. We are all members of the same species and similarities between the genders are greater than average differences. 

I've heard on average male and female orgasms feel similar, but it's quite hard to test. I'd say the best of the best orgasms would be won by women, purely on duration.

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Unlike men, women come down fairly gradually from a high level of arousal after an orgasm, which means that it is relatively easy for us to ramp back up again. Even if you have a high threshold and have to climb a long way to get to that first peak, getting to the second one only requires a shallow dip down and back up. The dip and return can take anywhere from a few seconds to several minutes.

When the dips last only a few seconds, most of us describe this as a continuous or extended orgasm because it’s so hard to tell when one stops and the next one starts. With a skillful and patient partner or a good vibrator, this can go on for a very long time.The record for a woman is an extraordinary 134 orgasms in an hour, which is one orgasm every 27 seconds. Since a single female orgasm generally takes 15 to 25 seconds, with an average of about 21 seconds, the average time between orgasms was probably about 6 seconds.

(Incidentally, this was in a laboratory setting, using recorded data on the subject’s heart rate, respiration, and involuntary muscle contractions to determine the individual orgasms, since there would have been no way for the subject herself to keep count. From her point of view, each wave merged into the next, and it felt like one, continuous, hour-long orgasm.)

But of course similarities between sexes are greater than differences in general, but not in every instance and especially not in biological matters 

[Dr. Pepper]

1 hour ago, Eggegg said:

Do I find it a bit odd that a woman is trying to womansplain what its like to be a man.. to a man? Yes I do in fact as she has zero personal experience of what its like to have a cock. I wouldn't presume to explain to her what the experience of having a period is like either.

Now obviously I don't believe that the 'cock controls  the brain' its a euphemism,  Dr Pepper seems to want to take everything everyone says as literal as possible.

And yes I do believe that female desire and male desire is inherently different and exhibits itself in different ways. This is not only from my personal experience but from many things I've read and friends I've talked to as well as exes and my wife. 

Also, yes men CAN control their sexual desire and most often do, but that doesn't mean its not often always there bubbling away in the background, driving many of their actions and motivations.

"Womansplain".  Hhahahaha.  I've heard it all now.  

So you've spent time in multiple threads over the last few months claiming that men can't control themselves, that's it's different for cocks, that men have needs and desires that can't be contained, that their cocks control their brains.  But now you're allowing for the fact that they CAN control their desires.  Good.  Progress.  I guess womansplaining is helpful if it leads to this conclusion.  Unlike Mansplaining.

Btw, no one has claimed that desire isn't there bubbling under the surface or that desire does not drive actions or motivations.  There's a multi billion dollar dating app industry that shows this is true for people of all genders.  Being motivated by desire doesn't not mean being controlled by it.  Your cock doesn't control your brain.

[Week]

This whole kerfuffle is also amusing from the angle that the penis is not responsible for any glandular secretion related to any of what nonsensical lack of male control that is babbled about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_pituitary

/mansplain

[Darth Richard II]

I'm out in a public place right now and not furiously masturbating. Must be something wrong with me!

[Eggegg]

23 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

"Womansplain".  Hhahahaha.  I've heard it all now.  

So you've spent time in multiple threads over the last few months claiming that men can't control themselves, that's it's different for cocks, that men have needs and desires that can't be contained, that their cocks control their brains.  But now you're allowing for the fact that they CAN control their desires.  Good.  Progress.  I guess womansplaining is helpful if it leads to this conclusion.  Unlike Mansplaining.

Btw, no one has claimed that desire isn't there bubbling under the surface or that desire does not drive actions or motivations.  There's a multi billion dollar dating app industry that shows this is true for people of all genders.  Being motivated by desire doesn't not mean being controlled by it.  Your cock doesn't control your brain.

Your ability to misrepresent what people are saying is truly legendary, you appear to do it with everyone you interact with on here. 

 

[Dr. Pepper]

1 minute ago, Darth Richard II said:

I'm out in a public place right now and not furiously masturbating. Must be something wrong with me!

You're manning wrong.  Obviously.

Just now, Eggegg said:

Your ability to misrepresent what people are saying us truly legendary, you appear to do it with everyone you interact with on here. 

Yeah, only most of the people responding to you are reading you the same way.  

[Darth Richard II]

2 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

Your ability to misrepresent what people are saying is truly legendary, you appear to do it with everyone you interact with on here. 

 

yeah, no. Just no.

[polishgenius]

I think Eggegg's problem is the opposite of what it seems to be at first glance here: he isn't overstating men's sexual urges (although he's putting his bad point across badly), he's understating women's. He (apparently) thinks women don't make decisions and mistakes based on, and aren't sometimes/often distracted by, their sex drives.

 

28 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

Your ability to misrepresent what people are saying is truly legendary, you appear to do it with everyone you interact with on here. 

 

I've obviously had this problem with Doc Pepper in the past but in this particular instance I think if you're not saying what she says you're saying it's not because she's making it up, it's because you're being desperately unclear. And are responding to some of the more pointed responses to you in a way that seems to reinforce the original problem. As pointed out, plenty of other people are having the same issue with your statements.

[Eggegg]

4 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

I think Eggegg's problem is the opposite of what it seems to be at first glance here: he isn't overstating men's sexual urges (although he's putting his bad point across badly), he's understating women's. He (apparently) thinks women don't make decisions and mistakes based on, and aren't sometimes/often distracted by, their sex drives.

 

I've obviously had this problem with Doc Pepper in the past but in this particular instance I think if you're not saying what she says you're saying it's not because she's making it up, it's because you're being desperately unclear. And are responding to some of the more pointed responses to you in a way that seems to reinforce the original problem. As pointed out, plenty of other people are having the same issue with your statements.

Possibly i havent been entirely clear with exactly my position, but really for the sake of brevity and the attitude of some posters I am not going to write an essay to outline everything I believe. However that doesn't mean she isn't purposely misrepresenting what I and others are saying so she can rant about something  nobody has said. As you say, she has history. 

You'd also be incorrect in making the assumption that I don't believe women make mistakes due to their sexual desires, i know full well they do. But then I didn't claim they didn't either 

[polishgenius]

3 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

You'd also be incorrect in making the assumption that I don't believe women make mistakes due to their sexual desires, i know full well they do. But then I didn't claim they didn't either 

Fair, but when you outline that men do those things as if that's what makes us difference from women, it makes it seem that's what you believe. If you don't think that, you don't really seem to have much of any point here, except that none of us can really know for sure exactly how much sexual frustration anyone else is dealing with at any one time. Which, yes, but as Mormont said also applies between men.

[Darth Richard II]

51 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

You're manning wrong.  Obviously.

Damn, I'm going to fail my MAN exam.

[Kalbear]

4 hours ago, litechick said:

One, two, three, all missing the point.  I thought that I had covered this with the analogy that 'everybody sometimes gets a headache but some people have migraines' but I guess not.

I would never enter a conversation about breastfeeding and say "Not all women breastfeed.  I manage to go through the day without breastfeeding and it's ridiculous to suggest that accommodations need to be made for that."

Breastfeeding is not a crime, nor is it absurdly outside of the societal norm. Nor is it classified as sexual assault or harassment. But yes, please do keep comparing breastfeeding to masturbation, because I'm sure that'll help your argument.

4 hours ago, litechick said:

It should be possible for someone to suggest that a portion of the population suffers from the condition LCK describes and suggest that even if we don't understand it, we should consider it and how we can improve the situation.

You're right - it should be possible. And people have done it, repeatedly. And guess what? A portion of the population that suffers from this is incredibly small, absurdly so. To the point where it's considered an act of sexual deviancy and studied as a precursor to sociopathic behaviors. We tend to control this by enforcing laws.

4 hours ago, litechick said:

If reading my post led you to paraphrase my point with this fabrication, then you didn't get it.  I'm not going to argue with you about it because you don't get it.

I think that you are attempting to give sympathy to someone who used their power to abuse others and then purposely derailed their careers if they had issue with it. I think that you're trying to assume that many men are like this, when they are not. 

[mankytoes]

Ok, lets have a look at male v female sexuality. The main difference I've observed is how men's sexuality seems very easy to spark, whereas women's is much more situational. I don't feel like male sexuality is necessarily more powerful and intense, but I do think it's something that sparks itself a lot more often. As an analogy, men are like a barbeque with lighter fluid, one spark and it's up. Women are like a log fire, you have to build it up and get the spark right, but the fire can burn just as well. But this is just my experience, so please tell me if you don't think this is the case. And of course, it's a generalisation, sexuality varies greatly across all people.

My point regarding the above discussion is that if women want to get on with work or whatever, I think they usually can, unless they've sparked themselves off by reading some godawful mummy porn or something. Guys are going to get these distractions.

I don't see having powerful desire as an excuse for sexual offenses, any more than saying "I really really wanted it" is a defense for mugging or shoplifting.

[Kalbear]

9 minutes ago, mankytoes said:

Ok, lets have a look at male v female sexuality. The main difference I've observed is how men's sexuality seems very easy to spark, whereas women's is much more situational. I don't feel like male sexuality is necessarily more powerful and intense, but I do think it's something that sparks itself a lot more often. As an analogy, men are like a barbeque with lighter fluid, one spark and it's up. Women are like a log fire, you have to build it up and get the spark right, but the fire can burn just as well. But this is just my experience, so please tell me if you don't think this is the case. And of course, it's a generalisation, sexuality varies greatly across all people.

I think this is incredibly based on generations and learning. If you said this to women ages 18-25 in the US they'd laugh at you. 

A lot of the reason that this might be the case for your generation is that men have been allowed to show sexual aggression, and women have been discouraged from doing so. That is much less of the case now. 

9 minutes ago, mankytoes said:

My point regarding the above discussion is that if women want to get on with work or whatever, I think they usually can, unless they've sparked themselves off by reading some godawful mummy porn or something. Guys are going to get these distractions.

In general, women are better at being on task than men are - but that doesn't appear to have anything to do with sexual thoughts. Women have in general longer attention spans, better attention to detail and more ability to multitask than men do. My suspicion is that this is due to better overall impulse control and less immediate aggression period, which might have to do with testosterone - but that also implies that men are more likely to give into impulses across the spectrum - addiction, food, speeding, etc. Which...is what we actually see, data wise. Point of fact, sexual behavior is one of the things men give into least compared to things like addiction or drug use or food use or dangerous activities. 

9 minutes ago, mankytoes said:

I don't see having powerful desire as an excuse for sexual offenses, any more than saying "I really really wanted it" is a defense for mugging or shoplifting.

When you're talking about mitigating it the same way you'd talk about breastfeeding an infant or taking a shit, you're excusing it. There are a lot of reasons to not encourage frequent jerking off in the workplace, which is precisely what @litechick advocated.