Serious Callers Only Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Party of election fraud strikes again: https://thinkprogress.org/fraudulent-signatures-virginia-election-a59f6a3d2118/ Quote Elevating candidates to divide the left is a GOP tactic. In addition to this Virginia race, this year there was also: Montana Green Party candidate was on state GOP payroll They also appear to have cheated on petitions for that one too. And this one: New York:Second Green Party Candidate Exposed As Secret Republican But of course, they've been doing that stuff for years - Washington state 2001:Green Party Candidate Finds He's a Republican Pawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, Serious Callers Only said: Party of election fraud strikes again: https://thinkprogress.org/fraudulent-signatures-virginia-election-a59f6a3d2118/ Washington state 2001:Green Party Candidate Finds He's a Republican Pawn Here's one who was unapologetic about being a republican pawn. https://www.democracynow.org/2006/10/31/green_party_senatorial_candidate_in_penn AMY GOODMAN: Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Daily News. We don’t have much time, Carl Romanelli, but getting money from Erik Prince, head of Blackwater, and a top aide to Frist and a lobbyist for Halliburton, your explanation? CARL ROMANELLI: Yes, well, the bottom line is that I needed money. I have been trying to fundraise for the Greens for five years, and Democrats and progressives just aren’t giving us any. It was my intention to elevate the level of discourse on the issues in this senatorial race. And let’s not give Rick Santorum credit. Let’s not blame the Green Party. Carl Romanelli put this operation together, and I had the understanding with a handful of Republican friends of mine who helped me that we were both using each other. I needed money, because I had none, and I was well aware that they thought that my presence would help their candidate. I didn’t ascribe to that point of view, but it was mutual, because for five years the Green Party of Pennsylvania has been lobbying our legislature for more fair ballot access and for campaign reforms. It’s fallen on deaf ears. You think maybe the Republicans know what they're doing here? You think maybe the Greens are fucking clueless? You think if this fucking tool gave a shit about the environment or about social justice, he'd have no truck with any of this bullshit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, Serious Callers Only said: Party of election fraud strikes again: https://thinkprogress.org/fraudulent-signatures-virginia-election-a59f6a3d2118/ "Eddie Newkirk’s father, a retired Marine and Korean War veteran, died in 2016. That didn’t keep his name off the petition for Brown submitted by the Taylor staffers." He must be really enthusiastic about that candidate. That's some dedication right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Is socialism becoming American ? https://jacobinmag.com/2018/08/medicare-for-all-free-college-tuition-abolish-ice-polls-bernie-sanders-socialists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, Rippounet said: Is socialism becoming American ? https://jacobinmag.com/2018/08/medicare-for-all-free-college-tuition-abolish-ice-polls-bernie-sanders-socialists All depends on how we define "socialism". If we're talking about the kind of socialism where the private means of production is outlawed, perhaps not. But if were talking about more government involvement in economic matters than yes. The American Right has always been a bit loose with its definition of socialism. And now we may be getting to the point where many Americans are embracing the term because many "socialist" ideas seem to be pretty good ones. Many on the American right now sit a bit horrified that many more people, particularly younger people are embracing the designation of being a socilaist. But, the American right by always trying to use the spectre of sociaism kind of created the situation that it now is horrified by.In short, people are just not giving a flyin' fuck about conservatives trying to scare people away from ideas or policies that are "socialist". But using the right's defination of the term, I'd argue that socialism has always been a bit popular in the US. For instance both Social and Medicare are very popular. But whatever you did just don't call it socialist, even though in reality they are socialism, if we are going to take the right's definition of the term at face value. One might argue that "socialism" is as American as the flag, apple pie, and mom. It's just now people are perhaps more willing to identify with socialism and are more open to being identified as sociaist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor the Articulate Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Rippounet said: Is socialism becoming American ? https://jacobinmag.com/2018/08/medicare-for-all-free-college-tuition-abolish-ice-polls-bernie-sanders-socialists Ehh...the far right is also on the rise though. In the case of Medicare-for-all, I remember seeing a poll not long ago where over 60% supported Medicare-for-all but less than half wanted single payer. I don't think we should assume support for Medicare-for-all means support for single payer, as that article does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: "Those Trump supporters cult members; about 40% of the voting populace; the ones who feel disgruntled or disenfranchised for one reason or another; the ones who just rage-voted a sack of toxic waste into power; how are they going to react when all this goes down in flames? Which way are they going to jump? Does a failed Trump presidency lay the ground for something even more extreme? I think the chances are rather marginal for a revolt or whatever Giuliani is scaremongering on. First you throw in different groups together, who voted for Twitler for one reason or another. I suspect not all of them are equally happy with him. I further suspect that you overestimate his support. He has a significant portion of the GOP voters backing him, that's why they won't move against him. But how much is that actually? During the 2016 General Election you had a turnout of 58%. Let's be generous and round up the number to 60%. He got around 40% of those votes. So in electoral terms he had the backing of 24% of the populace. Now, as I said I suspect not every single one of those is a true believer. Some are opportunistic leeches like Paul Ryan who don't give a damn about racism as long as there are tax cuts and SCOTUS nominations. Yes, then there is also the racists and the deepstate nutjobs. But how many are those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 9 hours ago, Altherion said: I think it's no more than a quarter of a point (i.e. the chance of any serious disturbance is less than 25%). Things might have been different had Trump cultivated and encouraged a certain faction of his base, but he has barely given them scraps and it's rather late to start now. And yes, the danger is not so much Trump as what comes afterwards. Trump has a great deal invested in the current system and a comprehensive overhaul is not likely to work out in his favor. However, this may not be the case for future populists. The Democrats will get their turn, but after that... 1 in 4 is pretty high. 2 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: I think the chances are rather marginal for a revolt or whatever Giuliani is scaremongering on. First you throw in different groups together, who voted for Twitler for one reason or another. I suspect not all of them are equally happy with him. I further suspect that you overestimate his support. He has a significant portion of the GOP voters backing him, that's why they won't move against him. But how much is that actually? During the 2016 General Election you had a turnout of 58%. Let's be generous and round up the number to 60%. He got around 40% of those votes. So in electoral terms he had the backing of 24% of the populace. Now, as I said I suspect not every single one of those is a true believer. Some are opportunistic leeches like Paul Ryan who don't give a damn about racism as long as there are tax cuts and SCOTUS nominations. Yes, then there is also the racists and the deepstate nutjobs. But how many are those? I'm not talking about what Giuliani or Roger Stone are talking about. No, there won't be a civil war. No, there won't be a major city laid siege by a bunch of militia men. No, there won't be mass sedition in the military. I'm talking about a domestic terrorists attacking or occupying government facilities. I'm talking about a spike in hate violent crimes against Muslims and Latinos. I'm talking about a larger version of what we've actually been seeing over the past decade. As for how many, I don't know. How many people did it take to kill 59 people in Las Vegas back in 2017? One. A bunch of assholes who've been playing war games in the forests of Michigan or Virginia or the past 20 years, "because the revolution is comin'", can do a lot of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: I'm talking about a domestic terrorists attacking or occupying government facilities. I'm talking about a spike in hate violent crimes against Muslims and Latinos. I'm talking about a larger version of what we've actually been seeing over the past decade. You had this spike already during the campaigns. The longer you let Twitler preach from the council the more it gets normalized, which I think will embolden those racists more. It's time to hit back. I mean you don't expect that genie to return to the bottle voluntarily, do you? 9 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: As for how many, I don't know. How many people did it take to kill 59 people in Las Vegas back in 2017? One. A bunch of assholes who've been playing war games in the forests of Michigan or Virginia or the past 20 years, "because the revolution is comin'", can do a lot of damage. Call the marines. I don't mean it in the proverbial go cry me a river sense, I mean it in the literal sense. Those wanna be soldiers are a real problem, I agree with that. For too long the non-crazy part of the US has turned a blind eye to that shenanigans. Fortunately I don't think they are even remotely a match for the actual US military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: You had this spike already during the campaigns. The longer you let Twitler preach from the council the more it gets normalized, which I think will embolden those racists more. It's time to hit back. I mean you don't expect that genie to return to the bottle voluntarily, do you? I don't disagree with this. But one spike doesn't preclude further, larger spikes. 1 hour ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Call the marines. I don't mean it in the proverbial go cry me a river sense, I mean it in the literal sense. Those wanna be soldiers are a real problem, I agree with that. For too long the non-crazy part of the US has turned a blind eye to that shenanigans. Fortunately I don't think they are even remotely a match for the actual US military. That would be bad. I'm glad I'll be out of here by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Please tell me this is fake. https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/trump-managed-botch-photo-op-ohio-kids-coloring-american-flag-wrong/ First, There's something deeply disturbing about those photos. Second: Disrespecting the flag! The Russian flag! Third: I can only imagine the empty spleens and rivers of bile pouring out of the noise machine if Obama had done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Get that son of a bitch off the field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Queen Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Trump Tower doorman released from his AMI contract. https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/24/politics/trump-tower-doorman-contract-ami/index.html I doubt an illegitimate child will sway his base, but the agreement was signed in November2015, well after Trump became a candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: That would be bad. I'm glad I'll be out of here by then. Look at the moment two things seem to be on a collision course. Democracy with the rule of law vs. Trumpism. A clash of those two seems to be somewhat inevitable atm. Sooner or later the instiutions of the US and its citizens have to pick a side there (at least imho). If you are afraid of the consequences of backing the rule of law, then the right wing terrorists and Trumpism wins. And the oval office is not the freaking Bundy ranch, where you could wait and arrested when they crossed state lines. Of course, I can say that from a safe distance with no skin in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 http://www.joemygod.com/2018/08/25/sixteen-states-petition-us-supreme-court-companies-should-be-able-to-fire-workers-just-for-being-lgbt/ 16 States, led by various Attorney Generals, Governors, etc. are petitioning the court for the right to fire LGBT employees for...being LGBT. Their argument is essentially that the 1964 Civil Rights ACT did not intend to include LGBT people as protected status. These are the states: http://www.joemygod.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/16states.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, James Arryn said: http://www.joemygod.com/2018/08/25/sixteen-states-petition-us-supreme-court-companies-should-be-able-to-fire-workers-just-for-being-lgbt/ 16 States, led by various Attorney Generals, Governors, etc. are petitioning the court for the right to fire LGBT employees for...being LGBT. Their argument is essentially that the 1964 Civil Rights ACT did not intend to include LGBT people as protected status. These are the states: I was like, "What's that up in the northea... Oh, right, Paul Lepaige..." After that, the map was not surprising at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: I was like, "What's that up in the northea... Oh, right, Paul Lepaige..." After that, the map was not surprising at all. Yeah, Maine kinda jumps out at you as a first reaction. Well, wait, second. First, of course, as a straight white male was all the times I can remember when actual lawmakers were pushing to have my straight white maleness grounds for dismissal. As a member of the real target demographic for prejudice, obviously I know that feeling well. Right, alt-right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetPea Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 21 hours ago, Kalbear said: I think that any human going through cancer treatments deserves sympathy regardless; it is brutal for the person and for the family who has to watch them deteriorate into something only resembling the person they love. It's a horrible decision to have to make to end treatment, and it's the right one, and I feel bad for him and his family. He deserves no sympathy. He's a warmonger, responsible for a lot of suffering. And if he had his way, even more innocent people would have suffered and died. Would you give him the same sympathy, while looking in the eyes of the family members of the countless victims of pointless wars that McCain is so fond of? The world will be a better place without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Democrats have voted to prevent superdelegates from being decisive in the first round: Quote The 700 or so superdelegates — party leaders including Democratic National Committee members, members of Congress, and former Democratic presidents — will no longer be able to vote in the first round of balloting at the party’s 2020 convention unless there’s already a clear winner based on the results of the party’s primaries and caucus. If the nominating process moves past a first round, something that hasn’t happened since 1952, superdelegates would be able to vote. I wonder if this will also prevent the media from counting their votes -- for quite a while, Clinton and Sanders were much closer than certain outlets portrayed them as being because they made no distinction between delegates won in primaries or caucuses and superdelegates who had declared their intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetPea Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 17 hours ago, Martell Spy said: I am sick of all the winning. Trump Just Admitted That North Korea Isn’t Actually Denuclearizing http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/president-trump-cancels-pompeos-north-korea-trip.html *sigh* How do people still not understand Trump's strategy regarding North Korea? Your hatred for Trump is clouding your judgment. This is not a failure of Trump. He's done this before. NK wants these mettings to happen, as evidenced by their official statements. Trump has the upper hand here, and he is pressuring them to hurry up with the denuclearization. How can you percieve this as bad news for Trump? Remember when everyone who hates Trump was laughing that NK insulted Pence and Trump cancelled the summit? Remember how that turned out? Trump pulled out of the summit, forcing NK to come to the table, and it worked perfectly. This is more of the same. NK is going to take further steps to make sure the mettings resume, and everything will be back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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