Fragile Bird Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 The Conservatives are flush with cash, and are already calling poverty, telling their base they need more money to prepare for an election. You have to admire their fund raising techniques. However, nobody knows who O'Toole is, so going into an election as soon as parliament is recalled would be very risky. They bring down the government at their own peril. I think it would be Stockwell Day all over again. I made a comment on a media post, saying "Another old white man with double chins, Ontario likes them that way" and a Con jumped right in and said "Superficial Liberal. Good news with a mask everyone looks the same". This genius from BC has a petition on her Facebook page asking people to sign the petion to "Stop Sharia Law in Canada! No Blasphemy laws in Canada" and another petition, "Say no to Islamaphobia Day in Toronto, Say Yes to Anti-hate Day". That was a petition asking the City of Toronto noy to have an Islamic Day in Toronto and to replace it with Anti-Hate Day. It's kinda like no "Black Lives Matter, replace it with All Lives Matter". Btw, I responded with he's still an old white an with double chins, flippant jokes about Liberals and masks don't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 O'Toole's actually younger than Trudeau. Me and some other speculate that being evil ages you faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 19 hours ago, TrueMetis said: O'Toole's actually younger than Trudeau. Me and some other speculate that being evil ages you faster. I didn't know if you were joking or not and looked it up. Holy crap, born Jan 22, 1973, Trudeau born Dec. 25, 1971. He's almost a year and a month younger, yet he looks like he's late 50s. In other news, sheesh. Mark Carney has joined the evil empire, Brookfield Asset Management, to lead their Environmental and Social Investing group as VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyria Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said: I didn't know if you were joking or not and looked it up. Holy crap, born Jan 22, 1973, Trudeau born Dec. 25, 1971. He's almost a year and a month younger, yet he looks like he's late 50s. Holy shit, how is that possible! I was born at the end of '73 and Mr. Tyr at the end of '72. We could probably pass for a bit younger (I was still getting ID'd for booze up until a few years ago, but I think that's more because I'm pretty short, and the way I dress when not at work, i.e. metal/punk), but we're holding up pretty well. Both of our mothers were born in the '50s and look younger than him. Unreal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 @maarsen I didn't want to distract things in the US Politics thread but I finally looked up the claim that Biden plagiarized Jack Layton. I think people have been saying love is stronger than hate, hope is stronger than fear, light is stronger than dark, for a few centuries. MLK said “Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” Biden's speech was echoing Martin Luther King, especially since Biden opened with the theme of light and dark. And if you do a google search of the phrases, you'll find lots of inspirational posters with those words on them. Heck, Biden may have taken them off a poster on his wall. I'm pretty sure I first heard the nuns in high school say those things. Jack said: “My friends, love is better than anger,” said Layton in his letter. “Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair.” Biden said: “For love is more powerful than hate. Hope is more powerful than fear. And light is more powerful than dark.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I never thought it was plagiarism as the words were different enough. I think he used Jack as an inspiration. Between Shakespeare and and the King James Bible, it is damned hard to turn a phrase and not be accused of plagiarism. Using Jack Layton as inspiration is, well, inspired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 They're having some fun in Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Conservatives were losing their shit over that while centrists limited themselves to the occasional shart. Kenney floated the idea of replacing/putting up a JAM statue in AB lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Well, he is a Conservative hero. I consider myself a supporter of liberal causes but I found no joy in that monument being torn down. It does take us back to all the questions discussed in the monument thread. It would be like the Americans tearing down all the monuments to George Washington. He owned slaves, after all. But he was still the first president of a new country, and Macdonald was still the first Prime Minister of this country. Go ahead and paint him as black as is deserved in history class. He approved the execution of Louis Riel as well. And the Chinese head tax. He built the railway across Canada in an incredibly short time, a truly unifying event. If you have a POV that the very existence of Canada is an affront, I’m afraid I’m not going to agree. Hell, we could have been part of the US if it weren’t for people like Macdonald. Let me be clear, I’m not defending the indefensible actions of the past, but that’s what they thought was right back then and we have an obligation to change the remnants of that way of thinking and to try to right wrongs of that past if we can. But Canada isn’t going to disappear off the face of the earth, no matter how much some indigenous people would like to see that happen. You can’t stop the movement of people around the world. There’s no way in hell all the protests of the native peoples in the Americas could stop Europeans from crossing the ocean and moving here. One of my hobby horses that you may disagree with is that you ain’t seen nothing yet. The worse climate change becomes, the more millions and millions of people are going to come knocking on the door, and if 36 M non-indigenous people in this country cause problems, wait until another 30 M or more show up. Maybe I’m too aggressive thinking that’s what’s going to happen, but I suspect that Canada is going to be a very different country in the future, maybe in as little as 20 years. That is a long ramble, sorry, in commenting about a statue being torn down. I suspect Montreal won’t put it back up, mainly because the statue went up when the Anglos were in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I agree Canada will be changing considerably over the next 20 to 40 years. Climate change, crop failure, water scarcity, we [and most northern hemisphere countries] will be getting a massive influx of immigrants. I don't have a problem with this, other than skepticism on how resistant to change we seem to be as a people. re: statues of problematic individuals and/or symbols of the state, take them all down and put them in museums. Surround them in context, where traumatized people [Indigenous] can choose to see them. Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, JEORDHl said: I agree Canada will be changing considerably over the next 20 to 40 years. Climate change, crop failure, water scarcity, we [and most northern hemisphere countries] will be getting a massive influx of immigrants. I don't have a problem with this, other than skepticism on how resistant to change we seem to be as a people. re: statues of problematic individuals and/or symbols of the state, take them all down and put them in museums. Surround them in context, where traumatized people [Indigenous] can choose to see them. Or not. That’s likely the best idea, but I feel sad we can’t celebrate the fathers of our country because they did things that 150 years later we realize are wrong. As someone of Eastern Europe descent, I have no feelings for the British ruling classes, but as a child of recent (post WW 2) immigrants I feel grateful for the idea of Canada existing and am proud to be a Canadian. I say post WW 2 immigration because that’s the wave that really started to change Canada. The next wave, when PET became PM and allowed immigrants from non-white countries in, has been even more important. I suspect the third wave will be the refugee wave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: That’s likely the best idea, but I feel sad we can’t celebrate the fathers of our country because they did things that 150 years later we realize are wrong. As someone of Eastern Europe descent, I have no feelings for the British ruling classes, but as a child of recent (post WW 2) immigrants I feel grateful for the idea of Canada existing and am proud to be a Canadian. I say post WW 2 immigration because that’s the wave that really started to change Canada. The next wave, when PET became PM and allowed immigrants from non-white countries in, has been even more important. I suspect the third wave will be the refugee wave. Look at the low lying areas of the North American continent. The vast flood of refugees will probably come from the Southern US as Florida, Louisiana, Georgia as the oceans rise. I have seen some projections that if a full 60" rise occurs, Arkansas will be oceanfront property Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Canada has a lot of the worlds fresh water and minerals. Also, space! We’ll have to hope that enough of the country becomes area leaders and liveable, and that we don’t get invaded by some other country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Update Aug 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 BC 269 58 62 68 124 - - 294 AB 258 77 127 108 158 - - 426 SK 3 0 3 5 2 4 - 4 MB 49 25 25 22 32 55 35 28 ON 105 100 88 118 122 148 112 114 PQ 68 62 142 111 98 156 120 140 M-4 0 1 1 0 4 0 0 2 Total 752 322 448 432 510 315 267 1008 Oh my, Ontario only has 49 people in hospital with Covid-19, 18 in ICU and 9 on ventilators. That sucks for the folks on ventilators, of course. The public health honchos expect a resurgence in the fall. They give three scenarios: 1) a big peak in the next couple of months and then a drop, 2) a series of mini-peaks, or 3) a continued plateau of cases, up a bit and down a bit but not a peak and not a big drop. Iirc, those scenarios were presented way back in March or April by the feds. Four teachers in Quebec have tested positive and 20 are in quarantine. I gather the public (French) system started a week ago while the English system started today. Stay tuned on what happens. I use CTV's tracking page for these numbers, and I was pleasently surprised when I saw the number for today was less than 500. I don't know why CTV does this, just showing today's report number for Sunday and then saying, btw, the total weekend number was x, for AB and BC. Hey folks, the numbers reported were 426 and 294. What is it with Albertans? Have they just thrown their hands in the air and said, fuck it, we give up? BC reported 101 for today, so 193 for the other day. In any event, today's number was a total of 1,008, which is depressing, even if the number really was 498. I don't know what the real numbers were for Saturday and Sunday since they don't break it out. I wish AB and BC would just stop this bloody sham and report on Saturday and Sunday instead. eta: I forgot to mention that Manitoba will be starting travel restrictions in a few days, because of the high numbers in the south. Travel to the northern part of the province will once more be restricted, so the virus doesn't get into vulnerable indigenous populations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Update Aug 27 28 29 30 31 1 2 3 BC 68 124 - - 294 58 104 AB 108 158 - - 426 164 114 SK 5 2 4 - 4 3 2 MB 22 32 55 35 28 18 13 ON 118 122 148 112 114 112 133 132 PQ 111 98 156 120 140 122 132 187 M-4 0 4 0 0 2 0 1 Total 432 510 315 267 1008 477 499 I decided to do more updates if we are going to be moving into the 2nd wave. We do seem to be there in the big provinces. Saskatchewan and Manitoba have hopefully gotten their religious colony and community spread under control. I think today is the day Manitoba starts travel restrictions between the north and the south. The Far North is in great shape, but I heard interviews with teachers up there and even though they've had almost no cases, even they are nervous about starting school. The Maritime provinces seem to be under good control as well. A Quebec City bar started up their live karaoke again, figuring by putting plexiglass between the live band and the patrons, having all staff in masks and face shields, and washing hands frequently they'd be ok. They had an Elvis impersonator in ten days ago and now 40 patrons and staff have tested positive and the new cases directly arising out of the night at the bar has already reached 80. I know that earlier this week Toronto had 40 new cases one day and 44 the next. The line-ups are long when I drive past the testing site at St. Joseph's on my way to Costco and 99% of the folks look under 40. There are no lines into Costco or Walmart or the grocery stores anymore, but you have to wear a mask and most places require you wash your hands with sanitizer before entering. Most people wash their hands when they leave as well. 50% of all new cases in Ontario are in the 20 to 39 group, and it's been that way for weeks. I think it's the same everywhere, which is why we haven't seen an uptick in deaths so far. Looking at my records we've only had a couple of days of 10 deaths or more for 5 or 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Edit: Oops. This is Canadian Politics. Not the Covid thread. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I said I would update more often, and here we are on the 9th already. Mind you, the weekend numbers would have been useless, but I did find the breakdowns so I am loading them on the weekend days instead of Tuesday. Update Sept 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 BC 58 104 89 121 123 116 107 83 AB 164 114 130 164 154 171 137 157 SK 3 2 10 4 5 8 11 7 MB 18 13 20 9 21 29 15 11 ON 112 133 132 148 169 158 190 185 PQ 122 132 187 184 175 205 216 163 M-4 0 1 2 0 1 0 5 2 Total 477 499 570 630 648 687 681 608 If I hadn't assigned the numbers across the weekend, the Tuesday number would be over 1600, because Ontario also took Monday off as well as BC and Alberta. Those recent 7 cases in the Maritimes were in PEI and are related to a family that returned from international travel. The cases from the bar in Quebec City kept rolling out. Ontario cases have increased in Peel, and the premier has threatened to send them back into Phase 2. Weddings and private parties seem to be the culprits. But in the meantime, casinos will open on Sept. 28. Mind you, only 50 people will be allowed in at a time, you'll have to make an appointment! I'm going to wait and see if we level off, keep going up, or drop off. I have a suspicion the numbers will keep going up, after all, they've gone up everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Update Sept 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 BC 107 83 100 136 132 137 119 61 AB 137 157 98 113 111 105 173 140 SK 11 7 1 6 13 21 17 8 MB 15 11 16 15 15 17 18 21 ON 190 185 149 170 213 232 214 313 PQ 216 163 180 188 219 244 279 276 M-4 5 2 2 1 0 1 0 1 Total 681 608 546 630 703 757 810 820 Well, that escalated pretty rapidly. I don't do the deaths anymore, but so far we are still below 10 deaths a day. I'm watching the Quebec press conference right now and they are rolling back the restictions in certain areas of the province to yellow and orange. And the police are making visits to hundreds of businesses every day, mainly giving out warnings but also filing reports on some businesses. The spread seems to be caused by large social gatherings. A big group attended a corn roast, for example, and that turned into a super-spreader event. Ontario all of a sudden has 61 cases in long-term care homes, up 25 from yesterday. Now that's troubling. But we still only have 47 people in hospital, 19 in intensive care, 11 on ventilators. Of today's cases 73 are in Toronto (just a few weeks ago the numbers were in the teens), 57 in Ottawa and 40 in Peel. Brampton has been the hot spot, and it seems to be all house parties. Everybody is waiting for the approval of a rapid test that can be given in pharmacies, because the line-ups at testing centers have all of a sudden become hours long. There have been 8 students testing positive at the University of Western Ontario in London, and the line-ups are 4 and 5 hours long and kids are being told to go home and come back the next day because they are at their limit. A second test center will be opened in London. The Maritimes is hanging on to their low numbers so far. I see Alberta is reporting 42 cases in high schools so far, in 35 schools. BC had 6 deaths over the last three days, and have 58 people in hospital. Canada's total deaths on Monday, including the 6 in BC, was only 8. I know that a rapid test from Italy was approved weeks ago, and I don't understand why we're not seeing them being used yet. Maybe we're setting up a Canadian manufacturer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 The testing bottlenecks are disappointing. I feel like we hit a ceiling in the summer and just haven't been ambitious enough. To this point of the pandemic, Australia has tested around 100,000 more people per million than Canada... I got tested for the first time at Pearson yesterday. Wasn't the full nasal swab but I did get my results within 24 hrs (and have two more tests to do while in quarantine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, Paxter said: The testing bottlenecks are disappointing. I feel like we hit a ceiling in the summer and just haven't been ambitious enough. To this point of the pandemic, Australia has tested around 100,000 more people per million than Canada... I got tested for the first time at Pearson yesterday. Wasn't the full nasal swab but I did get my results within 24 hrs (and have two more tests to do while in quarantine). Ontario is 38% of the the country’s population and is doing 55% of the daily testing, according to today’s Ford press conference. I think we do between 30,000 and 35,000 a day, although I see yesterday we did 27,700. Australia was a leader from the start. Frankly we need to do more testing. I just went through an Ontario weekly summary but while it contains all kinds of information it does not include weekly testing numbers. I suspect testing in the Maritimes has dropped, but I did see Alberta really ramped up testing again. Also, I assume the North barely does any testing anymore. On the bright side, Canada is now ranked 26th for cases. I never thought we’d get out of the teens. You got tested at Pearson? Fantastic! Lots of us were calling for airport testing. That should help. Did you go home for a vacation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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