DMC Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said: I do, for three reasons. 1. Getting a meaningful climate change bill through Congress - even with unified government - is arguably more difficult than changing the composition of the court. Treating political capital as a finite resource is wise. But a stimulus bill - in which perhaps the Dems can include some modest agenda items via reconciliation - is top on the list. After that, I think "judicial reform" should be at the top of the list. The damage a 6-3 court could do to democracy far outweighs any other priority. 2. This is a defeatist attitude. I agree on Manchin, but the others are certainly more pliable. Especially Tester, who has demonstrated political courage throughout his tenure. And the two Arizona Senators are very low on seniority, lots of carrots and sticks to employ. 3. A mandatory retirement age is much less realistic than expanding the court. Agree on circuit court reforms - that's why expanding the court should be packaged as "judicial reform." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I'm not really sure the Democrats can afford to shy away from court-packing ; a conservative SCOTUS has the potential to block all their legislative efforts for decades. Bearing in mind that the SCOTUS doesn't need to strike down a law entirely, it can easily eviscerate it by striking down key provisions. I think anyone seeing this as a luxury underestimates just how important SCOTUS decisions are. Just think of Citizens United v. FEC and Shelby County v. Holder on elections for instance. Also, just think of all the 5-4 decisions where Kennedy, Roberts, or even Gorsuch (!), sided with the liberals in the past and picture them going the other way... Nah... If they don't do it, or at least seriously try, they're complicit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 A picture worth a thousand, nay, 10,000 words! Have you all seen the vids of Melania again pushing away rumpytumtup's hand trying to hold hers? And then he pushed her? https://www.ibtimes.sg/presidential-debate-2020-trump-seen-pushing-melania-off-stage-after-she-pulls-her-hand-away-video-52752 As well, there seem to be photos of him taking Malania body doubles to events, not the real thing? I dunno. These rumors are all in the UK press that has never been prone to reliability or truth, i.e. more fodder for the fake Melania conspiracy. https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/new-photo-reignites-wild-melania-trump-body-double-rumours/news-story/f51fbd265adf6dcf265efc6b5be88676 Whatever. The one we've got who really doesn't care do you is perfectly toxic and depraved all by herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I like this ad, and it's not made by TLP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Zorral said: A picture worth a thousand, nay, 10,000 words! Indeed. Plus, Dr. Biden rocked the dress/ mask ensemble! Or, as Colbert put it: I have a thing for floral prints. Or, at this point, any kind of plan. ETA: Nice version of Bohemian Rhapsody: The Trumpian Rhapsody (2020 Edition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I don't watch 60 Minutes normally. But jeez that was a bad interview. No wonder he ran away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 That was indeed a wonderful version of the Rhapsody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I think judicial reform will happen at some point, but I doubt it will happen under Biden. He's already said that he thinks it's a bad idea, that if the Dems add seats then the GOP will do the same once they're in power, and then the Dems will add more seats, and on and on and on. But it could happen down the road with a more left-leaning presidency. I like the idea of 18-year terms for SC Justices. Every 4-year Presidential term gets two SC nominations. That seems fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Rippounet said: I'm not really sure the Democrats can afford to shy away from court-packing ; a conservative SCOTUS has the potential to block all their legislative efforts for decades. It has the potential, but it won't actually do that precisely because if the court is really annoying both Congress and the Presidency, they have the means to do something about it. This is what happened with FDR: he failed at packing the court (which should give you some idea of how non-trivial an operation that is), but the court eventually saw things his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Glenn Kirschner has a couple more ideas, like expanding the appelate courts (which are overworked anyway): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Altherion said: This is what happened with FDR: he failed at packing the court (which should give you some idea of how non-trivial an operation that is), but the court eventually saw things his way. The court saw things his way because of his threat at packing the court. Only after they started upholding challenges to the New Deal did support for the bill evaporate in Congress. Anyway, applying that example is pointless in the current context. The Roberts court is not going to acquiesce/appease like that, and interbranch relations are entirely different. 21 minutes ago, Pecan said: I like the idea of 18-year terms for SC Justices. I don't find term limits or retirement ages useful places to start when figuring out how to reform the SC. They'll almost certainly be struct down by the incumbent SC, no matter the partisan makeup of all three branches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pecan said: I think judicial reform will happen at some point, but I doubt it will happen under Biden. He's already said that he thinks it's a bad idea, that if the Dems add seats then the GOP will do the same once they're in power, and then the Dems will add more seats, and on and on and on. But it could happen down the road with a more left-leaning presidency I don't blame Biden for saying such things at this point, but I really hope that he'll turn aroud if he is elected and the Dems win the Senate. It's not just the Supreme Court, since Trump appointed over 200 judges.https://www.ft.com/content/032b3101-9b8b-4566-ace4-67b86f42370b 8 minutes ago, Altherion said: This is what happened with FDR: he failed at packing the court (which should give you some idea of how non-trivial an operation that is), but the court eventually saw things his way. There are many lessons to be drawn from FDR's failure, but I wouldn't say not having a court-packing plan is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 The problem with judical reform is that anything short of court packing can just get struck down by SCOTUS if they don't like it. Dems need to either pack the court or pull a Jackson and just ignore it. Either has consequences the next time Republicans win, but those are the only choices if Democrats want to accomplish anything if they get power this election. Also, if Democrats do well this year they'll get a lot of redistricting power, and may be able to gerrymander the House to be pretty safe for the next several cycles. Which would insulate against the possibility of Republicans get their own trifectia in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Is this a filibuster going on in the Senate or is it just a really long speech?! PS: Apparently T. now claims doctors are getting paid for lying about Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 36 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: I don't watch 60 Minutes normally. But jeez that was a bad interview. No wonder he ran away. I just came here to see if anyone was going to mention that interview. Trump was as demented and aggressive as he was during the first debate. Normal people must have watched the tape and decided the only way to reduce the impact would be to release the entire footage, knowing 60 Minutes would have to compress it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I watched the material DT released, and he comes across as a whiny, weak, petulant child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, DMC said: The court saw things his way because of his threat at packing the court. Only after they started upholding challenges to the New Deal did support for the bill evaporate in Congress. Anyway, applying that example is pointless in the current context. The Roberts court is not going to acquiesce/appease like that, and interbranch relations are entirely different. What kind of legislation do you think the Roberts court will strike down? The previous iteration (led by Roberts himself) left ACA alone and waited for Congress to declaw the individual mandate (which they promptly did as soon as Republicans had united control of government). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 The strongest reason to pack the court is because it hears woefully too few cases. Nine judges was fine when when hundreds of cases were being appealed, now it’s over 20,000 and they only pick 800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 This is cracking me up: Putin Throws Trump Under The Hunter Biden Bus https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/25/1989524/-Putin-Throws-Trump-Under-the-Hunter-Biden-Bus MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines in the U.S. presidential election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Altherion said: The previous iteration (led by Roberts himself) left ACA alone I do believe that this was a 5-4 decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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