Relic Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Continue. with xanax, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I have! Did a rewatch with Linda, who'd never really seen them before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: ... Still wondering if a few people here have actually SEEN the OT in the last decade. Bits and pieces. The only one ive watched all the way through in the last ten years is Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I watched Empire on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Best. Title. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Would you like to weigh in on the why did Vader torture Han, uh, debate? He never even asked me any questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Would you like to weigh in on the why did Vader torture Han, uh, debate? I admit that something about the earlier discussion, re: Chewbacca not tortured, made me feel like I forgot something. So, yes, it's all well-and-good that Yoda says that Vader is doing it to make Luke feel Han's suffering through the Force. But to make plain it was never about getting information, Han literally says to Leia after the torture session that they didn't even ask him questions. So, that fits with Yoda, and with the fact that Bespin is clearly a trap for Luke, which goes to the idea that the primary reason for torturing Han was to get Luke over there. Did Vader enjoy torturing Han? Sure. But he had a telegraphed motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ran said: I admit that something about the earlier discussion, re: Chewbacca not tortured, made me feel like I forgot something. So, yes, it's all well-and-good that Yoda says that Vader is doing it to make Luke feel Han's suffering through the Force. But to make plain it was never about getting information, Han literally says to Leia after the torture session that they didn't even ask him questions. So, that fits with Yoda, and with the fact that Bespin is clearly a trap for Luke, which goes to the idea that the primary reason for torturing Han was to get Luke over there. Did Vader enjoy torturing Han? Sure. But he had a telegraphed motive. Vader doesn't enjoy anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I thought this was really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Did anybody know that as per Lucas we are to believe now that Sifo-Dyas was Darth Maul's predecessor as Darth Sidious' apprentice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 A line from the 'Star Wars Archives' book about the PT. No idea if that's out already. Quote George Lucas: Nobody knows who ordered the clones. It’s played as if it were somebody from the Jedi Council who foresaw there was going to be a war, so he was preparing for it, but it turns out that was somebody working for Palpatine, Sifo-Dyas. He was the apprentice before Darth Maul. I think there is an obscure hint in that direction in that TCW episode about Sifo-Dyas and his death, where the mad aide of Chancellor Valorum claims the guy who arranged Sifo-Dyas' death wanted to be Sifo-Dyas - which I think we then took as a hint that he wanted to be 'clone army guy'. But apparently this is to be taken as more literally with Sifo-Dyas being a Sith apprentice Dooku wanted to replace. Timeline-wise this makes no sense, of course, since Maul couldn't have been Sidious' apprentice only for a couple of weeks/months, but then Sidious definitely is the guy who would have multiple apprentices/candidates - we see this later with Tyranus and Anakin, anyway, not to mention in TCW with Ventress/Opress for Darth Tyranus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Thought Sifo-Dyas had some sort of prerogative Force ability that led him to start with the Clones...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord Varys said: A line from the 'Star Wars Archives' book about the PT. No idea if that's out already. I think there is an obscure hint in that direction in that TCW episode about Sifo-Dyas and his death, where the mad aide of Chancellor Valorum claims the guy who arranged Sifo-Dyas' death wanted to be Sifo-Dyas - which I think we then took as a hint that he wanted to be 'clone army guy'. But apparently this is to be taken as more literally with Sifo-Dyas being a Sith apprentice Dooku wanted to replace. Timeline-wise this makes no sense, of course, since Maul couldn't have been Sidious' apprentice only for a couple of weeks/months, but then Sidious definitely is the guy who would have multiple apprentices/candidates - we see this later with Tyranus and Anakin, anyway, not to mention in TCW with Ventress/Opress for Darth Tyranus. I watched that recently. If I remember correctly, Syfo Dias had premonitions of the coming war and strongly advocated for preemptively building an army of the republic. I think he was actually expelled from the council for this. He's then killed by the pikes on the order of Darth Tyrannus. This suggests Tyrannus was actually Sidius' apprentice and Maul was more of an expendable acolyte who thought he was an apprentice. This seems to be a common thing for the Sith (eg. Ventress). It obviously violates the rule of two otherwise. This relationship is formalized in the empire with the Inquisitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Per the video game Hide contents Inquisitors are former Jedi padiwans corrupted through crazy torture Be that as it may, they are still dark side force users who serve the Sith without actually being Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 big things have small beginnings. https://twitter.com/hashtag/RetcontheSequels?src=hashtag_click&f=live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Per the video game Hide contents Inquisitors are former Jedi padiwans corrupted through crazy torture Not all of them, the grand inquisitor was a disillusioned Jedi temple guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 52 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Good lord. (Also 8 is the only one of the ST Lucas liked since it tried to be different and actually used bits of his script. edit: haha i don’t think he is getting the responses he expected It'll be fun to watch. A llllooooooot of really passionate fans hated the ST 19 minutes ago, RumHam said: Reveal hidden contents Not all of them, the grand inquisitor was a disillusioned Jedi temple guard. Is that really a spoiler? Pretty sure that info is over a year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Ran said: I admit that something about the earlier discussion, re: Chewbacca not tortured, made me feel like I forgot something. So, yes, it's all well-and-good that Yoda says that Vader is doing it to make Luke feel Han's suffering through the Force. But to make plain it was never about getting information, Han literally says to Leia after the torture session that they didn't even ask him questions. So, that fits with Yoda, and with the fact that Bespin is clearly a trap for Luke, which goes to the idea that the primary reason for torturing Han was to get Luke over there. Did Vader enjoy torturing Han? Sure. But he had a telegraphed motive. Is it confirmed anywhere he didn’t torture Chewie or Leia at some point? In a ANH he didn’t shy from torturing Leia, not that it proved effectivr in getting her to tell where the rebel base was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 SHAVE THE WOOKIE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: A lot of really passionate fans loved TLJ as well Even better. A divided fandom shitting all over each other? Grab some popcorn and a tasty beverage. #shavethewookie This sounds amazing. Why have I not heard of this? https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a30882356/full-star-wars-9-original-duel-of-fates-script-colin-trevorrow/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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