Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 18 minutes ago, Ran said: Shits and giggles suits are always a possibility, of course, and always have been. I’d suggest they’re being encouraged with comments like Kevin’s (offered in good faith) about the inability to defend the integrity of the Hugo Award (etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I’d suggest they’re being encouraged with comments like Kevin’s (offered in good faith) about the inability to defend the integrity of the Hugo Award (etc.). They're being encouraged by the usual dogpile nonsense that is social media. Again, nothing will actually come of it, it's all just hot air from people who want to feel like there's some sort of immediate action that can be taken and when gently told there isn't they rail against those pointing it out. You need the patience of a saint to put up with the extremely fickle online fandom of these days, year in and year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ran said: They're being encouraged by the usual dogpile nonsense that is social media. Again, nothing will actually come of it, it's all just hot air from people who want to feel like there's some sort of immediate action that can be taken and when gently told there isn't they rail against those pointing it out. You need the patience of a saint to put up with the extremely fickle online fandom of these days, year in and year out. I sincerely hope you are correct. Edited January 27 by Ser Scot A Ellison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Ran said: RTFO RTFO? Been trying to search this one online and all I'm getting is...some kind of fuel-related organisation? And my brain keeps changing it to "RTFM", which...doesn't make much sense in this context either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 So… Dave McCarty has apologized on his Facebook page. He says the Statement released by the Chengdu committee is all he can say. Apologizing for what in particular is the question of the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 For those wondering what Scot is talking about: https://www.wsfs.org/2024/01/31/announcements-from-worldcon-intellectual-property/?fbclid=IwAR0iwThAaHtNwxRAIgqDXZmH7FEPRVIHeDNP48s5n9D03buk-i5kCQEoz8k Quote W.I.P. takes very seriously the recent complaints about the 2023 Hugo Award process and complaints about comments made by persons holding official positions in W.I.P. In connection with these concerns, W.I.P. announces the actions listed below. There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement. Dave McCarty has resigned as a Director of W.I.P. Kevin Standlee has resigned as Chair of the W.I.P. Board of Directors (BoD). W.I.P. has censured or reprimanded the following persons, listed in alphabetic order, for the reason given: Dave McCarty – censured for his public comments that have led to harm of the goodwill and value of our marks and for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon that he presided over. Chen Shi – censured for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon that he presided over. Kevin Standlee – reprimanded for public comments that mistakenly led people to believe that we are not servicing our marks. Ben Yalow – censured for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon that he presided over. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Some added details in the comments of File770: McCarty entirely out of the Mark Protection Committee, Standlee remains on the MPC and Board of Directors (more from him here). Chen Shi and Ben Yalow appear to remain members of the MPC as well, at least at this time. As far as I know, Eastlake isn't on any social media, so the net result is that I suspect the WIP/MPC is going to become much more opaque in the near-term, beyond official press releases. This has its pluses when the usual tempest in a tea cup blows its way -- they just ignore it -- but will have downsides when the group should have someone forward-facing to WSFS answering questions and engaging with any more significant furors. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 @mormont @Ran Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Holy cow. Wowzers. https://file770.com/worldcon-intellectual-property-announces-censure-of-mccarty-chen-shi-and-yalow-mccarty-resigns-eastlake-is-new-chair/ Edit: And it looks like this has already been mentioned above with the WSFS press release. Never mind. Carry on. Nothing to see here. These definitely weren't the droids you were looking for. Edited February 2 by IlyaP Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 It’s astonishing to me that Kevin Standlee doesn’t seem to understand the role of a company director, which he has been occupying for years. https://file770.com/worldcon-intellectual-property-announces-censure-of-mccarty-chen-shi-and-yalow-mccarty-resigns-eastlake-is-new-chair/comment-page-3/#comment-1603702 As a company director, you are not able to publicly express ‘personal opinions’ about the company separate from your role. You’re not the fry guy at McDonalds. IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Interesting Esquire article on the matter. Ser Scot A Ellison and williamjm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Kind of nice to see a recognition of the good qualities of the Hugos in that piece -- it really is pretty radically transparent compared to many other awards... most times. This aberrant result out of Chengdu is such a bother precisely because the transparency that has been de rigeur was flouted. Could it be true that basically they just wildly mishandled the voting? I believe I saw Ursula Vernon speculate along those lines, as well, that the results are more-or-less accurate but the numbers were basically them flailing around trying to make sense of things after some sort of massive botch with the ballots or data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 59 minutes ago, Werthead said: Interesting Esquire article on the matter. I was coming to link that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hugo Pope? Really? Someone actually got that as a nickname? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, IlyaP said: Hugo Pope? Really? Someone actually got that as a nickname? What is shocking about it? People get all sorts of nicknames in fandom circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Ran said: Kind of nice to see a recognition of the good qualities of the Hugos in that piece -- it really is pretty radically transparent compared to many other awards... most times. This aberrant result out of Chengdu is such a bother precisely because the transparency that has been de rigeur was flouted. Could it be true that basically they just wildly mishandled the voting? I believe I saw Ursula Vernon speculate along those lines, as well, that the results are more-or-less accurate but the numbers were basically them flailing around trying to make sense of things after some sort of massive botch with the ballots or data. It's possible that some works were deliberately removed from the ballot and they also wildly mishandled the nomination statistics. Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, Ran said: What is shocking about it? People get all sorts of nicknames in fandom circles. It's one I didn't expect to see. Also, some of the user comments in either the Esquire article or on File770 suggested that it was a nickname he might have given himself? Do you know if there's even an iota of truth to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) So ... is this event, these events, this blow up, cancel culture? https://bsky.app/profile/lartist.bsky.social/post/3kkf7br6ope2w Edited February 3 by Zorral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, Zorral said: So ... is this event, these events, this blow up, cancel culture? /cancels Zorral. WHAM! It's like Whamageddon, but Whammier! Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 In case no one's seen it yet, File770 released a massive piece today about what happened with the 2023 Hugos: https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ Ran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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