Gilbert Green Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) Blather all you want, but before you do, please to pick one of the 3 options. A. "Aegon Dead & YG Fake" (Aegon, son of Elia, is dead; and Young Griff is NOT Aegon, son of Eia). B. "Aegon Alive & YG Real" (Aegon, son of Elia is alive, and Young Griff IS Aegon son of Eli)a. C. "Aegon Alive & YG Fake" (Aegon, son of Elia is alive, and Young Griff is NOT Aegon, son of Elia). (In theory, a 4th option would be D. Aegon is dead; but nonetheless Young Griff is this same Aegon. I can't wrap my mind around such a possibility, but I don't forbid such answer, if anyone wants to be super-original). Bonus questions, only for those inclined, are (1) if Young Griff is NOT Aegon, who else is he? and (2) if Young Griff is fake, and Aegon alive, who else is the real Aegon? I will tally results as we go. I am aware that Polls vaguely of this type have been done before but that was then, this is now; and now you have 3 options instead of 2; plus bonus questions. --------------------------------------------------x TALLY SO FAR 11 for A: Aegon=Dead & YG is not Aegon (Nevets, Damsel in Distress, Green Stag, Prince of the North, astarkchoice, Craving Peaches, Castellan, AemonsEyes, BalerionTheCat, Lord of Raventee Hall, Jon Snowfyre) 6 for B: Aegon=Alive & YG=Aegon (Alester Florent, Aebram, Sandy Clegg, Springwatch, Ser Arthurs Dawn, oldbus) 3 for D: Aegon=Dead but YG is still Aegon (John Suburbs, kissdbyfire, Saffron Lady). 0 for C: Aegon=Alive & YG is not Aegon BONUS QUESTIONS Who is YG if not Aegon?: Just some kid, not Blackfyre (Alester Florent); some blond from Lys (Damsel in Distress); Illyrio's Blackfyre son (astarkchoice); Illyrio & Serra's son (Castellan); Illyrio & Serra's Blackfyre son (BalerionTheCat, Lord of Raventree Hall); jointly descended from Maegor & Blackfyres (Jon Snowfyre). IF Aegon is alive but not YG, who is he? [no takers] Thank you for all votes so far. Edited August 8, 2023 by Gilbert Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 A is the most probable. Varys's story is too convenient to be true. He would need to be very lucky or have lots of foreknowledge. B is a possibility but we have no way to know for sure. There isn't anyone with certain knowledge I would trust. My vote is A. Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damsel in Distress Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 38 minutes ago, Gilbert Green said: A. Aegon, son of Elia, is dead; and Young Griff is NOT Aegon, son of Eia. A blonde from across the sea. Lys. He comes from lies. Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Hes ilyrio and the last blackfyre womans son! Gilbert Green and TheBlackSwan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 It doesn't matter who or what he is. If he wins the crown and manages to keep it, he is Aegon VI, lawful son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Princess Elia of Dorne. If he doesn't, he was just another pretender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronLady Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 25 minutes ago, John Suburbs said: It doesn't matter who or what he is. If he wins the crown and manages to keep it, he is Aegon VI, lawful son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Princess Elia of Dorne. If he doesn't, he was just another pretender. Very realpolitik view of claims. Probably the way things would have gone if this wasn't a world with magics and dragons. Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alester Florent Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) I choose to believe B, but I am aware A is a distinct possibility and would not be surprised if that's what it turns out to be. I have no strong opinions on who he is if not the real Aegon. Most likely explanation is that he's just some kid Varys found. I'm not personally a fan of the Blackfyre theories, but again recognise they are a possibility. Edited August 2, 2023 by Alester Florent Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, John Suburbs said: It doesn't matter who or what he is. If he wins the crown and manages to keep it, he is Aegon VI, lawful son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Princess Elia of Dorne. If he doesn't, he was just another pretender. The poll does not ask whether might makes right, or whether deception is as good as truth, or who will hold the Iron Throne at the end. Can I list you under "D", then? Edited August 2, 2023 by Gilbert Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SaffronLady said: Very realpolitik view of claims. Probably the way things would have gone if this wasn't a world with magics and dragons. Just to be clear, the poll does not ask how things will go with the iron throne Also, do you have a vote? Edited August 2, 2023 by Gilbert Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Stag Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 A. "Aegon Dead & YG Fake" (Aegon, son of Elia, is dead; and Young Griff is NOT Aegon, son of Elia). It is very suspicious that Aegon managed to survive and that Varys is behind it. Even more suspicious, why would Illyrio care so much ? If Aegon was replaced and Varys was behind the whole thing, why wouldn't Elia insist that he be sent to family in Dorne, or get sent to Dragonstone, anywhere with known loyalist? Sending him to Essos seems dangerous, if anyone finds out his identity he could easily be taken and ransomed. Additionally, the whole introduction to Young Griff is suspicious. It seems Tyrion was given just enough information to piece it together: Griff is obviously from Westeros, is almost certainly high born, uses the name "Griff", YG seems to be receiving a high born education on the ship, etc. I think the plan was to use Tyrion to help provide legitimacy: "They tried to hide their identities, but I figured it out..." Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 12 hours ago, Gilbert Green said: 4th option would be D. Aegon is dead; but nonetheless Young Griff is this same Aegon. This one has my vote, I just cannot resist how deliciously conspiratorial it is. Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: This one has my vote, I just cannot resist how deliciously conspiratorial it is. Thanks. Maybe I should list @John Suburbs under D as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 A. Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) A. I just think the clues weigh in this direction and the other one sounds too unlikely and clichéd... Edited August 2, 2023 by Craving Peaches Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 A is what I have thought it probably true since first reading, and think this partly because of the hints about Aegon possibly being Illyrio's son & and the idea Varys & Illyrio have Blackfyre blood and have bred a substitute king. I think I have no real opinion now, my mind is busted from the long wait for the next book. Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Castellan said: A is what I have thought it probably true since first reading, and think this partly because of the hints about Aegon possibly being Illyrio's son & and the idea Varys & Illyrio have Blackfyre blood and have bred a substitute king. I think I have no real opinion now, my mind is busted from the long wait for the next book. I will err on the side of inertia, and put you down as a vote for "A". Unless you object of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, Gilbert Green said: I will err on the side of inertia, and put you down as a vote for "A". Unless you object of course. Thanks that is what I intended when I started the post! Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronLady Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Gilbert Green said: Just to be clear, the poll does not ask how things will go with the iron throne Also, do you have a vote? My vote is D: Aegon son of Rhaegar is dead, but is ressurrected via very powerful fire magic to become a "fire wight" that sustains his own glamour of appearing to grow up. He is physically still an infant, as seen in how he plays chess with Tyrion, a dwarf. Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aebram Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Option D is impossible, because Young Griff is alive ... unless you think he's the most energetic wight we've ever seen, able to walk, talk, eat, and otherwise behave exactly like a living person. My vote is for B. I wrote a post about this some months ago, where I discussed the implications of "fAegon" in some detail. Basically, if YG is not really Aegon, the secret has been kept from Varys and Connington, two of the most important people in the scheme; and the whole thing gets bizarrely complex, a conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy. Edited August 3, 2023 by Aebram left out Connington's name Gilbert Green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aebram said: Basically, if YG is not really Aegon, the secret has been kept from Varys and two of the most important people in the scheme; and the whole thing gets bizarrely complex, a conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy. Well, things MIGHT be bizzarrely complex. This is GRRM writing this stuff, after all. I don't want to argue too much, since that might better be done in response to your thoughtful thread. But the thing is, I see good points raised on both sides of Aegon being alive versus Young Griff being fake. Why cannot they both be true? In short, will no brave soul consider option C? Zero votes so far. In dead last place after "D". Edited August 3, 2023 by Gilbert Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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