US Politics: Hell Yes THEY Were Trying to Overthrow the Government

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

She’s amazing.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

17 minutes ago, Zorral said:

OOOO oooo oooo

But she hasn't even been invited to the prom yet! Chickens and egs . . . .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-may-not-run-for-reelection/ar-AA1flQiZ?

And I, I shall be queenie weenie!  (With apologies to Start the Revolution Without Me.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia's_14th_congressional_district

Check out the election results tab. She crushed it in the last election, but  compared to previous elections, and considering how that district leans Republican…

She’s not in Ted Cruz territory yet, but this is definitely not they direction they want things to trend.

[ThinkerX]

We are not the only ones discussing the dubious deals of the Trump kids. A breakdown of Jared's financial deals - almost all his financing came from overseas. (Saudi Arabia). Almost like he was some sort of financial sock puppet. The MAGA crowd in the comments vehemently defend Jared - 'unlike Hunter, Jared was working.'

  "I've never seen anything like it": Economic analyst stunned at sources of Jared Kushner's funds (msn.com)

Economic analyst Steven Rattner on Monday shared a pie chart showing that all but 1% of the $3 billion in investments in former President Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner's private equity firm Affinity Partners came from foreign sources after he "spent much of his White House tenure cozying up" to Saudi Arabia and Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman. The Saudis invested $2 billion in Kushner's fund while the United Arab Emirates and Qatar each added another $200 million. About $625 million came from other non-U.S. sources while only $31 million came from sources inside the U.S. Rattner told MSNBC that he's "never seen this" in 40 years in the business.

[ThinkerX]

And in the 'we knew this was going to happen' category, we have Trump supporters posting addresses and issuing threats against the grand jury that indicted Trump. Wonder if we will make it to the end of the month before some MAGA fool physically attacks or even kills a member of the grand jury?

Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online (nbcnews.com)

 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

1 hour ago, ThinkerX said:

And in the 'we knew this was going to happen' category, we have Trump supporters posting addresses and issuing threats against the grand jury that indicted Trump. Wonder if we will make it to the end of the month before some MAGA fool physically attacks or even kills a member of the grand jury?

Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online (nbcnews.com)

 

… or, extra special Trump supporters will target a select few of them in a more friendly way. I mean, who doesn’t like a little cash? I know I do.

It takes 12 to convict but it only takes one to hang a jury. 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

57 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

… or, extra special Trump supporters will target a select few of them in a more friendly way. I mean, who doesn’t like a little cash? I know I do.

It takes 12 to convict but it only takes one to hang a jury. 

Hum?

I might be wrong, since I am not an American. But Grand Juror =/= Jurors.

Grand Jurors were the folks that voted on the indictment.

Jury selection will be a different pool (and hasn't started yet). At least that's what I learnt from watching Law & Order.

Edited August 17, 2023 by A Horse Named Stranger

[Kalbear]

34 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Hum?

I might be wrong, since I am not an American. But Grand Juror =/= Jurors.

Grand Jurors were the folks that voted on the indicted.

Jury selection will be a different pool (and hasn't started yet). At least that's what I learnt from watching Law & Order.

Yep, that's entirely correct. The grand jury's role is largely done at this point. They were sequestered, saw evidence and testimony, and based on that decided whether or not to recommend going forward with the case. 

That doesn't make their life any safer, mind you, but this isn't some mob story where they go and threaten the families to get a response now. Instead, they'll intimidate those grand jury members so that everyone knows what happens when you cross them. 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

11 minutes ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said:

Yep, that's entirely correct. The grand jury's role is largely done at this point. They were sequestered, saw evidence and testimony, and based on that decided whether or not to recommend going forward with the case. 

That doesn't make their life any safer, mind you, but this isn't some mob story where they go and threaten the families to get a response now. Instead, they'll intimidate those grand jury members so that everyone knows what happens when you cross them. 

Are the trail jurors names going to be public?

[ThinkerX]

41 minutes ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said:

Yep, that's entirely correct. The grand jury's role is largely done at this point. They were sequestered, saw evidence and testimony, and based on that decided whether or not to recommend going forward with the case. 

That doesn't make their life any safer, mind you, but this isn't some mob story where they go and threaten the families to get a response now. Instead, they'll intimidate those grand jury members so that everyone knows what happens when you cross them. 

Yes. At this point it will be about vengeance - and putting forth a blunt warning to others who dare stand against MAGA. 

Sadly, I suspect MAGA and its attendant tactics will outlast Trump.

 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

49 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

Are the trail jurors names going to be public?

Law & Order said no, unless they out themselves after the trial for some book deal to sell their story.

Ofc, ty will just blurt out chats name by accident. Does the court pay for cat sitters, when jurors get sequestered?

[Kalbear]

2 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Law & Order said no, unless they out themselves after the trial for some book deal to sell their story.

Ofc, ty will just blurt out chats name by accident. Does the court pay for cat sitters, when jurors get sequestered?

They can pay for reasonable requests to a certain point, but only so much. That said there's no guarantee that the jurors will be sequestered or kept secret at all. That isn't the case usually and tends to be something of a heavy request that most justice departments won't make. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

31 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

Yes. At this point it will be about vengeance - and putting forth a blunt warning to others who dare stand against MAGA. 

Sadly, I suspect MAGA and its attendant tactics will outlast Trump.

Duh. Just look at MAGA Christians. They're siding with Trump over Jesus FFS. Traditional conservatism as we understood it is dead. Republicans will be MAGA for a generation at the very least. Or maybe they get even worse. Who knows, but it's a safe bet the party isn't going to move back towards the middle anytime soon. And because of it the country is fucked. 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

53 minutes ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said:

They can pay for reasonable requests to a certain point, but only so much. That said there's no guarantee that the jurors will be sequestered or kept secret at all. That isn't the case usually and tends to be something of a heavy request that most justice departments won't make. 

Yeah, but going by how the MAGAts threaten and abuse DAs and Judges...

[Varysblackfyre321]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/16/business/target-sales-pride-backlash.html
 

I’m not going to complain about the right utilization of cancel culture—I do think it’s imperative to pressure/support  companies when facing such reactionary for giving the most Luke warm support they can for queer people.

Note when Walmart faced the same predicament and didn’t buckle their sales went up.

Give the culture warriors an inch they will not stop.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Varysblackfyre321

[maarsen]

10 hours ago, Zorral said:

OOOO oooo oooo

But she hasn't even been invited to the prom yet! Chickens and egs . . . .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-may-not-run-for-reelection/ar-AA1flQiZ?

And I, I shall be queenie weenie!  (With apologies to Start the Revolution Without Me.)

One of the funniest movies ever!

[Mindwalker]

The names of the grand jurors who indicted Trump are now public. Who’s protecting them?

UPDATE: Wednesday, Aug 16, 2023 · 10:20:43 PM · Hunter

It’s started: NBC News now reports that a list of grand juror addresses has already been published to an unnamed “fringe website.”

The Washington Post reports that Trump’s oozing base is already contemplating revenge against the grand jurors. On Tuesday, photos of "at least two" jurors were posted online and members of "pro-Trump extremist forums” (I suspect we all know which ones) were arguing with each other over whether "people need to be outside these peoples houses" or whether that would be walking into a deep state and media trap.

In practice, the arguments are irrelevant... such violence tends to be carried out by lone extremists who do not particularly care whether the rest of their movement argues about their violence in random online forums.

The Post has Pete Skandalakis, executive director of the Prosecuting Attorneys’ Council of Georgia, giving an extremely awkward quote that comes real damn close to identifying the problem without actually doing it:

“[Grand jurors] typically issue the indictments and go about their business,” Skandalakis said. “I’ve indicted gang cases in which people are concerned for their safety, and I think that’s probably what happened here.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/8/16/2187627/-The-names-of-the-grand-jurors-who-indicted-Trump-are-now-public-Who-s-protecting-them

No kidding, Sherlock!

Texas woman accused of threatening to kill judge overseeing Trump election case and a congresswoman

Abigail Jo Shry of Alvin, Texas, called the federal courthouse in Washington and left the threatening message — using a racist term for U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan — on Aug. 5, court records show. Investigators traced her phone number and she later admitted to making the threatening call, according to a criminal complaint.

In the call, Shry told the judge, who is overseeing the election conspiracy case against Trump, “You are in our sights, we want to kill you,” the documents said. Prosecutors allege Shry also said, “If Trump doesn’t get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you,” and she threatened to kill U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Texas Democrat running for mayor of Houston, according to court documents.

A judge earlier this week ordered Shry jailed.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-tanya-chutkan-judge-threats-texas-7d90ad3c8b552b49e269a3f842a6700c

[Mindwalker]

Oh, and a judge got drawn for the Georgia case. He's the newest and youngest one of the bunch.

McAfee was appointed to the court in February by the state's Republican Governor Brian Kemp, according to the court's website. McAfee is seeking election next year to retain his position as judge.

McAfee was appointed to the court in February by the state's Republican Governor Brian Kemp, according to the court's website. McAfee is seeking election next year to retain his position as judge.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-georgia-criminal-case-assigned-newest-judge-court-2023-08-15/

Edited August 17, 2023 by Mindwalker

[Mindwalker]

nvm

Edited August 17, 2023 by Mindwalker

[Varysblackfyre321]

  

I do acknowledge that it’s important to build coalitions and sometimes those coalitions will include people who are distasteful in some aspect.

But the way they talk about these complex issues seem stunted and it’s the type of mindset that helps  leads to reactionary hellholes like North Korea and China and got people economically left voting for national socialists(despite their personal disagreement with the talk of the Jews).

 the minorities or rights they’re shunting under the bus are most likely to support them or how bigotry can make implementing certain government programs that much harder.
A lot of the attacks on welfare is raciall and sexist motivated even it helps a lot of white people many will still balk at it for it also helps people they find to be degenerate and a lot people who aren’t especially economically progressive support leftist parties because they recognize them as being bulwark for bigotry against them, they’re not preprogrammed to mindlessly side with anyone  Class reductionist or apathetic libs want them to.
It’d be really be useful if you were against Labour movements that if you can discredit or jail a Labour activists for cross dressing, or acting gayly in public or kissing a member of the sex in private.

 

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by Varysblackfyre321

[LongRider]

Fani Willis has released a proposed scheduling order and it's online  v0 (bwbx.io)       

Arraignment: September 5

The final pretrial conference: February 20, 2024.

The trial shall commence on March 4, 2024

She notes "In light of Defendant Donald John Trump’s other criminal and civil matters pending in the courts of our sister sovereigns¹ , the State of Georgia proposes certain deadlines that do not conflict with these other courts’ already-scheduled hearings and trial dates."

Footnote one:   1 United States of America v. Donald J. Trump, 1:23-CR-00257-TSC (D. D.C.); United States of America v. Donald J. Trump et al., 9:23-CR-80101-AMC (S.D. Fl.); People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump, 71543-23 (S. Ct. N.Y. Cty., N.Y.); People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump et al., 451685/2020 (S. Ct. N.Y. Cty., N.Y.)