Conflicting Thought Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 i really didnt know where to put this article, it could be on the USA thread but, didnt want to keep deraling it, but it has to do wiht international news i think. https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/extraordinary-charges-of-bias-emerge-against-nytimes-reporter-anat-schwartz/ https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/ this is a better article but you can only read two of them if you are not subscribed, a workaround for this is to see the article in incognito Kyoshi and AncalagonTheBlack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, Conflicting Thought said: i really didnt know where to put this article, it could be on the USA thread but, didnt want to keep deraling it, but it has to do wiht international news i think. https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/extraordinary-charges-of-bias-emerge-against-nytimes-reporter-anat-schwartz/ https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/ this is a better article but you can only read two of them if you are not subscribed, a workaround for this is to see the article in incognito I read those pieces yesterday. It’s kind of shocking tbh. And it’s the 2nd (I think? Though I may have missed more) time I’m a few weeks where the high and mighty NYT is embroiled in issues regarding pieces they published. Many-Faced Votary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) Who doesn't have bias? It's not bias I care about, it's a commitment to honesty and having integrity that I care about. If I read a piece that's all "Israel must be allowed to do whatever it wants to defend itself" then it's easy to identify that as having a bias and I have my own bias and will read the piece with those things in mind. But what I want from biased and purportedly neutral news articles is clear identification of verifiable fact with appropriate context, unverified allegation and opinion. If anyone is putting forward opinion or allegation as fact then they have no place in journalism, irrespective of bias. And if they are not providing proper context to facts their journalistic skill and credibility is questionable. Edited February 29 by The Anti-Targ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 The problems around these two instances have very little to do w/ bias though. Unless if we look at it from a perspective of, “they were so carried away by their biases that they failed to realise they were reporting distorted information and blatant lies”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) For fuck's sake. Just seen the latest from redacted. Holy mother of God, make it stop. It seems to me that the continued moratorium on this subject is every bit as weak and lily livered as the position taken by most of our political leaders. Shameful. ETA: I am so fucking angry about what is going on. So if and when the moratorium is ever lifted, it is unlikely I would personally be able to participate without getting myself perma-banned. And seeing as this is my all time favourite internet hangout, I really don't want that to happen. But... The simple fact that the owner of this site has decreed that nobody is allowed to talk about what is happening in Gaza is troubling, and has slightly tarnished my love for the place. I remember some of the Ukraine threads getting pretty heavy, but I don't ever recall a moratorium. Edited March 1 by Spockydog karaddin, TrueMetis, fionwe1987 and 9 others 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 First I'm reading of a moratorium. Good to know lest I suffer the wrath of the gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) Edited March 1 by kissdbyfire straits and Kyoshi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, kissdbyfire said: @Kyoshi, a couple of articles re the NYT have been posted here but we still have a moratorium on the topic of the war in the Middle East. I assume the NYT’s bad reporting issues falls outside of that moratorium but I am not sure. Another article: https://www.commondreams.org/news/anat-schwartz Thanks so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 13 hours ago, Spockydog said: For fuck's sake. Just seen the latest from redacted. Holy mother of God, make it stop. It seems to me that the continued moratorium on this subject is every bit as weak and lily livered as the position taken by most of our political leaders. Shameful. ETA: I am so fucking angry about what is going on. So if and when the moratorium is ever lifted, it is unlikely I would personally be able to participate without getting myself perma-banned. And seeing as this is my all time favourite internet hangout, I really don't want that to happen. But... The simple fact that the owner of this site has decreed that nobody is allowed to talk about what is happening in Gaza is troubling, and has slightly tarnished my love for the place. I remember some of the Ukraine threads getting pretty heavy, but I don't ever recall a moratorium. I feel the same way about the moratorium but I think I'm 5 posts away from getting banned or whatever, so I've been biting my tongue. There's a lack of objectivity in my opinion. But hey ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, kissdbyfire said: @Kyoshi, a couple of articles re the NYT have been posted here but we still have a moratorium on the topic of the war in the Middle East. I assume the NYT’s bad reporting issues falls outside of that moratorium but I am not sure. Another article: https://www.commondreams.org/news/anat-schwartz It does not, to be clear. The topic is clearly covered by the moratorium, and I can't for a moment imagine why anyone would think it isn't. If anybody wants to discuss this further, they can take it to PM. As ever, that is the only appropriate place to raise questions or comments about moderator decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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