karaddin Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Yup ^ that context is certainly useful, I wasn't claiming to have it all - just that superficially it looks bad. And personally I would have viewed swelling membership as a good sign and this as a correspondingly bad one, but one that with the context indicates there was no long term gain in popularity and the pre-Corbyn numbers are indicative of the actual level of involvement the general public has in the labour party. Out of curiosity do you have the numbers over time for Tories and LibDems? I had a quick look but was only seeing the current membership, not historical data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, karaddin said: Yup ^ that context is certainly useful, I wasn't claiming to have it all - just that superficially it looks bad. And personally I would have viewed swelling membership as a good sign and this as a correspondingly bad one, but one that with the context indicates there was no long term gain in popularity and the pre-Corbyn numbers are indicative of the actual level of involvement the general public has in the labour party. Out of curiosity do you have the numbers over time for Tories and LibDems? I had a quick look but was only seeing the current membership, not historical data. Yeah, it took a bit of time to assemble the ETA, and different links for each peak and trough. Just linked the one graph to illustrate. The best I can find for the main 3 parties is this: https://www.tutor2u.net/politics/reference/participation-political-party-membership-in-the-uk Including this graph: https://tutor2u-net.imgix.net/subjects/politics/blogimages/pol-party-uk-membership-historic-trend.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&fit=clip&q=80&w=800 karaddin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, Which Tyler said: Yeah, it took a bit of time to assemble the ETA, and different links for each peak and trough. Just linked the one graph to illustrate. The best I can find for the main 3 parties is this: https://www.tutor2u.net/politics/reference/participation-political-party-membership-in-the-uk Including this graph: https://tutor2u-net.imgix.net/subjects/politics/blogimages/pol-party-uk-membership-historic-trend.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&fit=clip&q=80&w=800 Damn that war/post war peak for the Tories is going to be looming for a long time haha. Current numbers for them are 172k and 90k for the LibDems - seems pretty much the same for the Tories and plateaued off for the LD after a gradual increase in the mid 2010s. So the same picture across the main parties, broadly stable membership with a temporary spike for Labour brought in by Corbyn that didn't stick around long enough to become part of the institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 The thing about party members resigning is, that's the exact opposite of what you need to do if you disagree with the leadership's policies. Which Tyler and A Horse Named Stranger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) I fucking love this. Jeremy Corbyn was so shit, so fucking useless, he raised Labour Party membership to almost three times its normal levels. Also, the fact that all those members have been completely lost since Starmer took over is nothing to be critical of. Edited April 1 by Spockydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Did anyone say that? Or just provide some context (and correction) to your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 8 minutes ago, Which Tyler said: Did anyone say that? Or just provide some context (and correction) to your post? That Corbyn was one of the worst politicians we've ever seen seems to be the commonly hled view here. Therefore, it is no surprise that the transformative levels of membership gains he made are so easily dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Not sure what the benefit of getting a load of Labour Party members in if you turn off the majority of the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) Yeah totally turned off the electorate. That's why the dude came *this* close to winning the election in 2017. But Corbyn put the shits up the vested interests. And that's when the knives really came out. And one thing having all those members does is give you a huge advantage in terms of being able to get boots on the ground during election season. The value of this alone should not be underestimated. Edited April 1 by Spockydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, Spockydog said: But Corbyn put the shits up the vested interests. And that's when the knives really came out. Yup, that’s it. The Davos gang or something.. sharp thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) Who said a fucking word about Davos. FFS. Edited April 1 by Spockydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Lol. HoI will probably now claim that there is no such thing as vested interests in this country. kissdbyfire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Who are these vested interests of which you speak. If you have some facts you want to lay on us then I’m all ears. Zorral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Spockydog said: That Corbyn was one of the worst politicians we've ever seen seems to be the commonly hled view here. Therefore, it is no surprise that the transformative levels of membership gains he made are so easily dismissed. That's a "no" then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conflicting Thought Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 14 hours ago, Heartofice said: Scotland introduce new hate crime law on April fools day, unfortunately not a joke. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68703684 you are such a good person! Zorral and Spockydog 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) 5 hours ago, Heartofice said: Who are these vested interests of which you speak. They're probably hiding inside that mental closet you've constructed, along with the Institutional Racism gang. Edited April 2 by Spockydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 4 hours ago, Spockydog said: They're probably hiding inside that mental closet you've constructed, along with the Institutional Racism gang. That’s what I thought. So no real answers. Just some shadowy ‘vested interests’ pulling all the strings. No evidence, just more insane conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 5 hours ago, Conflicting Thought said: you are such a good person! Watch out, you could get a police record for that stuff up in Scotland mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 The "reasonable person" test isn't exactly a new concept, it literally came up a few weeks ago with the Sam Kerr thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 19 minutes ago, karaddin said: The "reasonable person" test isn't exactly a new concept, it literally came up a few weeks ago with the Sam Kerr thing. Yes and you failed it. Thats the problem. Except it’s worse than that, you have to expect the Scottish parliament and a bunch of untrained police officers to be the arbiters of ‘reasonable’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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