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[Ran]

Yeah, these are all a big issue that I don't know how to fix. It will be tricky. 

[Abjiklam]

19 hours ago, Ran said:

Yeah, these are all a big issue that I don't know how to fix. It will be tricky. 

The file page now works after I changed its content and removed the probably problematic character ı. Now only this old revision of the page is inaccessible: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?title=File:Marc_Simonetti_rich_lands_and_a_keepII.jpg&oldid=228500

Maybe this will fix the category tree too?

It may be useful to delete this problematic revision completely?

 

Edited May 9, 2024 by Abjiklam

[Ran]

Yes, I think in the short term the best fix is to find error pages and then recreate them as new. It should work then.

[Ran]

I'd consider this semi-canon, but from page 16 of The Official Game of Thrones Cookbook, the Maester Alton presents a brief biography:

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I was born in a time of peace, the only son of Ben Beesbury, Lord of Honeyholt...

But late in the reign of King Aegon V, the harvests were bountiful and summers long, and there was litle need for famed warriors. Eventually.... I arrived at the realization that I was not suited for a warrior's life. My accomplishments would be with the quill...

I resolved to travel to the Citadel and forge my chain, despite the protestations of my father who had no other son to inherit lands and title, which instead passed to my cousin Warryn upon his death.

I'm guessing they cleared these details with GRRM, but without confirmation, yeah, semi-canon.

[The Wondering Wolf]

This finally brings some order into the Beesbury family tree. I think there was no other family with so many family members (8) without a single known relation between them. Well, the Green Ronin Campaign Guide says that Alys, Beoni and Jeyne are sisters, but we couldn't verify that the information came from GRRM. 

Looking at the birth dates of Jeyne's and Beoni's children, they seem to be close in age, born in the mid or late 260ies. Assuming, Ben was born around 215 AC, his younger brother around 220 AC, and Warryn around 245 AC, the Beesbury women could easily be his daughters.

[Thomaerys Velaryon]

16 hours ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

This finally brings some order into the Beesbury family tree. I think there was no other family with so many family members (8) without a single known relation between them. Well, the Green Ronin Campaign Guide says that Alys, Beoni and Jeyne are sisters, but we couldn't verify that the information came from GRRM. 

Looking at the birth dates of Jeyne's and Beoni's children, they seem to be close in age, born in the mid or late 260ies. Assuming, Ben was born around 215 AC, his younger brother around 220 AC, and Warryn around 245 AC, the Beesbury women could easily be his daughters.

It would be nice to have confirmation so we can connect the dots correctly. Apart from the Beesburys, the Cranes are also all over the place. I wonder if there is a story behind the double Florent-Crane marriages.

[Hippocras]

Qarl Corbray - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org)

He is missing from the page Qarl (disambiguation) for some reason.

 

Also - any way to make suffix searches possible? Usually in database searches the format *(suffix) would serve this purpose, but star searches in general do not seem to work on the wiki. Results come up blank.

[Gonzalo]

I have a doubt regarding how to list the titles of the free companies leaders, and how to name a category for them.

In the itself mostly refers to each of them as either "commander" or "captain". However, the Appendix lists the Tattered Prince as captain and founder and the rest (Brown Ben, Daario, Gylo Rhegan, Bloodbeard) as both captains and commanders.
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[Ran]

A heads up for wiki editors:

 

With the beginning of HotD, traffic may again go crazy. This new server that hosts the wiki is the most powerful server we've ever had, with a perfectly tuned MySQL and (we think) a pretty well-tuned web server and cache system. 96.5% of all traffic hits cache, which should mean super-rapid responses and low load...

But. But. Every damned season of GoT and then HotD, we ran into the fact that traffic always exceeded our expectations. It may be the case again.

We have one more tool in the arsenal, though, through Cloudflare -- it's not ideal, but we can technically set Cloudflare to cache everything (including full pages) and have _their_ edge servers deal with 99.9% of the traffic. Why is it not ideal? Well, I did not know when we planned this out that Cloudflare's billing system was going to have an extensive outage, and that they would not be able to change our subscription plan until the current plan ran out in November.

Why does this matter? With the plan we had intended to use, not only could we cache everything, _but_ we could also have anyone who is logged in (i.e. you editors) bypass the cached pages and hit the wiki directly to continue editing freely.

But, we can't do that. So, if the situation with the load on the server is proving too much (yet again), I will go ahead and implement Cache Everything. This should lead to the wiki being served by Cloudflare... but it will serve the same page for everyone, that is, a page where you are _not_ logged in. Moreover, you won't be able to login, or rather not really -- as soon as you visit a page, it'll show you as not logged in.

This means that Sunday and Monday, if we end up implementing this, you won't be able to edit. Write down notes somewhere for whatever editing ideas you have, maybe, and come Tuesday we'll turn off cache everything and you should be able to edit as usual.

That said, fingers crossed that this proves unnecessary. Just figured we'd explain what was happening if we did indeed have to take that step.

Edited June 16, 2024 by Ran

[Oneiros Drakontos]

In House of the Dragon's Behind the Scenes of Season 2 Episode 1, it can be seen a prop book (twenty seconds before the tenth minute of the video) that says that Daenys the Dreamer was the first rider of Balerion and her mother's name was Elaena.

https://youtu.be/0BZccArhI2Q?feature=shared

The detail has been discovered by Il Podcast del Ghiaccio e del Fuoco, the Italian youtubers who interviewed Elio & Linda recently.

Edited June 18, 2024 by Oneiros Drakontos

[Mindset]

  

On 6/16/2024 at 12:28 PM, Ran said:

A heads up for wiki editors:

Not sure if this is related to Cloudflare, but I've discovered regarding the Tanselle article, the phrase "puppet girl" causes a 403 error anywhere on the wiki when you try to preview or save. I'm thinking it's possibly an anti-spam measure catching an innocent phrase by mistake? There might be something you could tweak somewhere, I hope!

(in the meanwhile I've made the article save-able by using a zero-width HTML entity that isn't visible on the saved page, but it's a workaround we really shouldn't have to do.)

edit: testing, apparently it's specifically the phrase "pet girl" that causes the issue, if you need to narrow it down anywhere.

 

Edited June 19, 2024 by Mindset

[Mindset]

[accidental double post]

Edited June 19, 2024 by Mindset

[Oneiros Drakontos]

17 hours ago, Oneiros Drakontos said:

In House of the Dragon's Behind the Scenes of Season 2 Episode 1, it can be seen a prop book (twenty seconds before the tenth minute of the video) that says that Daenys the Dreamer was the first rider of Balerion and her mother's name was Elaena.

https://youtu.be/0BZccArhI2Q?feature=shared

The detail has been discovered by Il Podcast del Ghiaccio e del Fuoco, the Italian youtubers who interviewed Elio & Linda recently.

It seems that the text in the prop book comes partially from the World of Ice & Fire chapter about the Conquest.

@Ran Could it be that the passages about Elaena Targaryen and Daenys riding Balerion are parts of an unabridged version of the Conquest's chapter? In that case, they would be semi-canon pieces of information for the books.

Edited June 19, 2024 by Oneiros Drakontos

[Ran]

Nope, it's not anything George wrote. I would not take it as any kind of canon unless someone in the know confirms it's from George.

[Potsk]

1 hour ago, Oneiros Drakontos said:

It seems that the text in the prop book comes partially from the World of Ice & Fire chapter about the Conquest.

@Ran Could it be that the passages about Elaena Targaryen and Daenys riding Balerion are parts of an unabridged version of the Conquest's chapter? In that case, they would be semi-canon pieces of information for the books.

HOTD's prop books are written by Ti Mikkel who is GRRM's lore assistant, so she might have checked with him. But yeah we do need confirmation first. If she wrote it first and ran it by George, I'm still not sure if it would be considered "semi-canon" as defined here, because it didn't actually come from George. If it's based on info given to her by George though, that would make it semi-canon.

[Ran]

I think that's the correct way to look at it. I'm hoping to maybe interview Ti down the line, so maybe that'll be something we can ask about then.

[Nittanian]

I added an Attendees section to "Purple Wedding" similar to that of "Golden Wedding", if anyone wants to make corrections or add any characters that are missing. 

[Ran]

On 6/19/2024 at 5:10 AM, Mindset said:

  

Not sure if this is related to Cloudflare, but I've discovered regarding the Tanselle article, the phrase "puppet girl" causes a 403 error anywhere on the wiki when you try to preview or save. I'm thinking it's possibly an anti-spam measure catching an innocent phrase by mistake? There might be something you could tweak somewhere, I hope!

(in the meanwhile I've made the article save-able by using a zero-width HTML entity that isn't visible on the saved page, but it's a workaround we really shouldn't have to do.)

edit: testing, apparently it's specifically the phrase "pet girl" that causes the issue, if you need to narrow it down anywhere.

 

This is now fixed. It's part of a host of ModSec stuff to prevent spam, and I finally had time to test it and see what the log output was.

I could in theory just remove all the stuff related to spam, but safer to just remove things bit by bit as they come up. Thanks for reporting it!

[Potsk]

Ser Alfred Broome has the sigil of House Broom on his armor in House of the Dragon, suggesting House Broome isn't a different house but just a new spelling GRRM settled on in Fire & Blood. With the limited info I'm not sure how to approach this on the wiki if at all.

[Ran]

His arms are similar, but I note that the "sprig of broom" looks a lot more like a pair of wings on the show's version of the arms. We also have a canonical Benedict Broom in the appendices. It's possible George changed the name spelling and the appendix hasn't been corrected... but right now I'm inclined to suppose that they are two related houses with slightly different arms and name spellings, until we learn otherwise. The TV show version of the arms are, of course, not canonical for the books.