Thelastactionhero Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I just have to say, that while I think its important to take the show and the book as two autonomous works of art, I am highly disatisfied with this simplified portrayal of Stannis. Whether or not you like him as a character in the books, he is far more complex and three-dimensional than he is in this television series. His immediate willingness to sacrifice Gendry was such a let down for me. There wasn't even a split second of conflict. Stannis was adamantly opposed to burning Edric initially and was only convinced when he believed there was absolutely no other option to save the kingdom. Here, Stannis has little to no regard for Gendry's life, and it just felt to me like the writers were purposely ignoring the source material in order to further establish him as villain. Unlike the books, where we have the proper space for us to contemplate Stannis' character and moral ambiguity, the series creates a narrow spectrum in which he can only be viewed as an entitled douchebag. If you're going to make deviations in a character arc, you should maintain the complexity of said characters, rather than simplify them in order to force you're own views down the throats of the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyjoy67 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Did you just miss the scene with Davos then I take it....Stannis hasn't been simplified, I'd say we're just getting his different sides in small doses. It's difficult when you have several pages of exposition to convey on screen you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Pipes Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Stannis suffered from some serious character assassination as well. His sense of justice, though harsh, has been wiped away. He resisted burning Edric in the books for a long time because the boy had done nothing wrong. I think Melisandre would have convinced him eventually but it's a disservice to his character that he's not shown struggling with it more. I guess you can say he is by releasing Davos from jail because he knows Davos can talk him out of it. But even that moment where Davos lets Edric go and convinces Stannis to go to The Wall might lose its importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widows_Blood Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Stannis is about as complex as Ned Starks bowel movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kozma Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Stannis knew Edric for the day one and did not get a damn of Gendry he has never seen before. I do not see any conflict here. Plus this scene make me like Mel more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordos_Kull Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Stannis's sense of justice is shown through Davos. He is being portrayed as a tough guy because that is how he wants to be seen. The intimate scenes are where we get more of an insight into Stannis as a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of Boston Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 B-b-but, there was that scene with Davos, where Davos essentially called Stannis out for the visit, pointing out that Stannis went down to the cell for Davos to be his voice of reason. That's the entire reason Stannis values Davos -- because Davos reminds Stannis of his humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzer Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I didn't see any sign of character assassination. Didn't you pay attention to the end of his conversation with Davos. He went to see Davos because he knew what Davos was going to say and that part of himself was disagreeing with Melisandre. It's very clear he is conflicted.Edit: :ninja: 'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonDunn Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 OP - did you miss the scene with Davos? He involved Davos because he knew it was wrong to kill Gendry.and Davos convinced Mel that she needed to show proof of the power of royal blood.Did you watch the episode or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go joff go Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 ???? what assasination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 He is getting the evil Littlefinger crazy person tone in his voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Zee Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 B-b-but, there was that scene with Davos, where Davos essentially called Stannis out for the visit, pointing out that Stannis went down to the cell for Davos to be his voice of reason. That's the entire reason Stannis values Davos -- because Davos reminds Stannis of his humanity.this . I caught from Stannis tone that he was playing Devil's advocate with Davos. The reason he keeps Davos around is so he can balance Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zman1863 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 B-b-but, there was that scene with Davos, where Davos essentially called Stannis out for the visit, pointing out that Stannis went down to the cell for Davos to be his voice of reason. That's the entire reason Stannis values Davos -- because Davos reminds Stannis of his humanity.That's how I saw it too. He went down to Davos because he still has doubts about what Melisandre intends. That seems pretty consistent with how the book plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlan Marius Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 The scene with Davos did wonders for Stannis' on-screen characterization. Need to see if any illiterati have changed their tunes about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Winters Summer Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Why do I read this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montey14 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I just have to say, that while I think its important to take the show and the book as two autonomous works of art, I am highly disatisfied with this simplified portrayal of Stannis. Whether or not you like him as a character in the books, he is far more complex and three-dimensional than he is in this television series. His immediate willingness to sacrifice Gendry was such a let down for me. There wasn't even a split second of conflict. Stannis was adamantly opposed to burning Edric initially and was only convinced when he believed there was absolutely no other option to save the kingdom. Here, Stannis has little to no regard for Gendry's life, and it just felt to me like the writers were purposely ignoring the source material in order to further establish him as villain. Unlike the books, where we have the proper space for us to contemplate Stannis' character and moral ambiguity, the series creates a narrow spectrum in which he can only be viewed as an entitled douchebag. If you're going to make deviations in a character arc, you should maintain the complexity of said characters, rather than simplify them in order to force you're own views down the throats of the audience.In the book...Edric lives with him and practiacally raised him....On the show...he bareley knows Gendry...why should he have any feelings for him....but in the end he goes to Davos because he wanted to be talked out of it...thats what I got out of the scene.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymore Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I was somewhat annoyed at his unflinching acceptance of Gendry's impending sacrifice until I realized why he was releasing Davos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyjoy67 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Why do I read this forumI feel the same way. I find my enjoyment of the show stifled by some of the fussiest and unfounded complaints.I guess it's made up for by the valid ones I enjoy debating but still! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of Boston Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Character assassination has become the buzz word this season, heh. No disrespect to anyone who utilizes the term, but I swear I groan whenever I see it. I'm waiting for the official "character assassination" thread to be christened and enacted each week, much like the nitpick thread. Please, God, don't tell me I just gave anyone the idea. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naathi Prince Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 As others have said, they put the scene with Davos in on purpose to make him look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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