from GRRM's blog: Jeyne Westerling and other characters in TWoW

[The Crow's Third Eye]

Jeyne will be one off the three heads of the Dragon due to being the bastard daughter of some king or prince. It is known.

*cough* on a more serious note, I can't see her killing Cersei in revenge for Robb... Cersei wasn't responsible for the RW, so although she is a mad woman and Jeyne most likely despises her (who doesn't?) I can see her as being killed by Jeyne. As to the fate of Ms. Westerling-Stark, I believe she will die before the end of the series, possibly in the middle of some botched rescue attempt. I can picture a rescue attempt goes wrong, a huge massacre that ends with many dead or dying, including Jeyne.

And on the subject of Pyat Pree... I think he will make an attempt on Dany's life, but ultimately will be unsuccessful and perish

[alienarea]

Maybe GRRM is trolling us and just kills Jeyne off in a more gory way than the tv show.

[fantasmas]

Cat Taylor just gave an interview where she says the choice to kill off Talisa by stabbing her pregnant stomach was done to end any secret heir hopes.

[Ludd]

Given that GRRM draws much oif his story from real life events, I think we can see a struggle for rule in the North with many claimants.

Jane and a putative heir supported by Blackfish

Sansa supported by (? Tyrion, LF, Cat)

Rickon

Jon

Bolton with fake Arya

It will be a bloody mess. This has ben coming from day one

[Ludd]

Jeyne has always had a big role to play. Remember her lineage. She has Targ blood (one of the princesses in the vault I think) and she is also the grand daughter of Maggie the mage. The Westetrling lineage is also ancient and "first man." GRRM made a point of mentioning this so it IS important.

[The Crow's Third Eye]

I can't see Blackfish disputing someone's claim in a messy way, I think he will see the bigger picture and see that the realm has bled enough

[TheNorth's1stKnight]

i kind of hope jeyne isn't pregnant bc i want jon snow to be the heir

[Ludd]

I know it is a bit "Days of our lives" soapy but I sort of hope that Jon in fact is the RIGHTFUL heir of Winterfell and indeed not a bastard at all but Ned's true born son.

It is possible if very very, very cheesy. Ned is in love with Ashara Dayne (or some other girl) marries her after realizing she is pregnant - JUST like Robb.

Brandon is killed but AFTER sleeping with his fiancee Catelyn.

Ned turns up at Riverrun. Is told that Ashara is dead so marries Catelyn to save family honour.

Ashara dies but only AFTER Ned learns that that she lived and gave birth to Jon. Robb is in fact the bastard but this in NOT known to Catelyn.

Ned is in a dilemma. He no doubt would consider that morally the son of Brandon should inherit anyway.

He could of course remarry Catelyn according to the rites of the North, hence legitimizing all future children. Indeed it is possible that both Jon and Robb could be legitimate depending upon when the second marriage took place ie after Jon's birth but before Robb's .

I know - bordering of fan fic.

[Veltigar]

I know - bordering of fan fic.

? "Bordering"? This is fan fic all the way (and not a very good one).

[David Selig]

It's not just fan fic, it's impossible. Catelyn's PoV clearly shows she was a virgin until her marriage to Ned. Ashara died many months after Ned and Catelyn's marriage.

[DExit]

George can say what het wants, but the whomen Tallisa- jeyne- and the man Robb are dead.

The person Jeyne is out of the books, clearly, because it is impossible to introduce a person in the show who has the same history as jeyne- being Robb's queen. So, unless we get an entire chapter about her passing away another way or she is going to do some minor things, she is out. And Robb defenitly doesn't have an heir, cause that's to big a change from book to show in that case.

[Lord Martin]

Jeyne Westerling isn't with Forley Prester or with Edmure. She escaped with the Blackfish before Edmure surrendered River Run.

In Catelyn V from ASOS we learn that Robb left Jeyne, Sybil Spicer and Eleyna at River Run:

Lady Westerling had remained at Riverrun with her children; Jeyne, her little sister Eleyna, and young Rollam, Robb's squire, who complained bitterly about being left. Yet that was wise as well. Olyvar Frey had squired for Robb previously, and would doubtless be present for his sister's wedding; to parade his replacement before him would be as unwise as it was unkind. As for Ser Raynald, he was a cheerful young knight who swore that no insult of Walder Frey's could possibly provoke him. And let us pray that insults are all we need to contend with.

We don't see any of them again until Jaime arrives at the siege at River Run:

From his exchange with the Blackfish:

Ryman Frey is a bloody fool. His mummer's show with Edmure and the gallows had only made the Blackfish more obdurate, that was plain. "You hold Lady Sybelle Westerling and three of her children. I'll return your nephew in exchange for them."

Also recall the Blackfish's devotion to Jeyne in this scene:

He felt his phantom fingers twitching. "Aerys is no part of this. Will you exchange the Westerlings for Edmure?"

"No. My king entrusted his queen to my keeping, and I swore to keep her safe. I will not hand her over to a Frey noose."

"The girl has been pardoned. No harm will come to her. You have my word on that."

"Your word of honor?" Ser Brynden raised an eyebrow. "Do you even know what honor is?"

A horse. "I will swear any oath that you require."

So at this point we know there are 3 Westerling children inside and the BF is going to protect the Queen.

Then Jaime gets into River Run by getting Edmure to turn over the castle. By then the BF is gone. Does anyone think he'd just up and leave Jeyne behind? Does that sound like the noble Brynden Tully? Then we get this scene:

"Lord Commander?" A guardsman stood in the open door. "Lady Westerling and her daughter are without, as you commanded."

Jaime shoved the map aside. "Show them in." At least the girl did not vanish too. Jeyne Westerling had been Robb Stark's queen, the girl who cost him everything. With a wolf in her belly, she could have proved more dangerous than the Blackfish.

She did not look dangerous. Jeyne was a willowy girl, no more than fifteen or sixteen, more awkward than graceful. She had narrow hips, breasts the size of apples, a mop of chestnut curls, and the soft brown eyes of a doe. Pretty enough for a child, Jaime decided, but not a girl to lose a kingdom for. Her face was puffy, and there was a scab on her forehead, half-hidden by a lock of brown hair. "What happened there?" he asked her.

The girl turned her head away. "It is nothing," insisted her mother, a stern-faced woman in a gown of green velvet. A necklace of golden seashells looped about her long, thin neck. "She would not give up the little crown the rebel gave her, and when I tried to take it from her head the willful child fought me."

"It was mine." Jeyne sobbed. "You had no right. Robb had it made for me. I loved him."

Much has been made about the "Hip" discrepancy... for my money its just one piece of evidence that this girl is not Jeyne... In fact, that entire scene is a set up on Jaime, IMO. Tywin Lannister would never fall for this.... but we just learned that Tyrion is more like Tywin than Jaime is... Jaime can still be fooled.

"At least the girl did not vanish too." HA!

She's repeatedly called "childish" or "willowy" or "awkward." That sounds more like a 12 year old than a 16 year old to me....

And I particularly love this little bit at the end of the exchange

Until then, you would do well to stay out of my sight." He shouted for a guardsman, and Lady Sybell went off with her lips pressed primly together. Jaime had to wonder how much Lord Gawen knew about his wife's scheming. How much do we men ever know?

Sybil is certainly a schemer. Its almost like GRRM is giving Jaime all the clues to figure it out, but he never does.

Then, what I consider the most important scene:

When Edmure and the Westerlings departed, four hundred men rode with them; Jaime had doubled the escort again at the last moment. He rode with them a few miles, to talk with Ser Forley Prester. Though he bore a bull's head upon his surcoat and horns upon his helm, Ser Forley could not have been less bovine. He was a short, spare, hard-bitten man. With his pinched nose, bald pate, and grizzled brown beard, he looked more like an innkeep than a knight. "We don't know where the Blackfish is," Jaime reminded him, "but if he can cut Edmure free, he will."

"That will not happen, my lord." Like most innkeeps, Ser Forley was no man's fool. "Scouts and outriders will screen our march, and we'll fortify our camps by night. I have picked ten men to stay with Tully day and night, my best longbowmen. If he should ride so much as a foot off the road, they will loose so many shafts at him that his own mother would take him for a goose."

"Good." Jaime would as lief have Tully reach Casterly Rock safely, but better dead than fled. "Best keep some archers near Lord Westerling's daughter as well."

Ser Forley seemed taken aback. "Gawen's girl? She's—"

"—the Young Wolf's widow," Jaime finished, "and twice as dangerous as Edmure if she were ever to escape us."

"As you say, my lord. She will be watched."

Jaime had to canter past the Westerlings as he rode down the column on his way back to Riverrun. Lord Gawen nodded gravely as he passed, but Lady Sybell looked through him with eyes like chips of ice. Jeyne never saw him at all. The widow rode with downcast eyes, huddled beneath a hooded cloak. Underneath its heavy folds, her clothes were finely made, but torn. She ripped them herself, as a mark of mourning, Jaime realized. That could not have pleased her mother. He found himself wondering if Cersei would tear her gown if she should ever hear that he was dead.

Note who isn't there. Where is the 2nd Westerling daughter? We have both parents and "Jeyne." But no mention of Eleyna... Martin is too good an author for this to be an oversight.

When two Westerling girls enter River Run but only one is seen leaving... something is afoot. Moreover, the Blackfish would never agree to give the real Jeyne to the Lannisters... he truly despises them. And he is clearly devoted to protecting her, as far as the BF knows, she's the last Stark. And if Sansa is gone, she has claim to be the Lady of Winterfell.

So I don't think Jeyne needs to be freed, I suspect she's with the Blackfish and he's making his way east. Whether he's going to the Vale (where he was once Knight of the Gate) or perhaps he's heading North (tough to sneak past the Twins, will Howland Reed help?) Or perhaps he'll encounter the BWB... any of those things bring him within some POVs.

[Lord Spark of House Spark]

Jeyne will play no further part in proceedings, unless as an attempt to control winterfell from a southron house, by delegitimising one of the Stark kids.

[GhostC]

Jeyne westerling could just be in the story to tell everyone that Jon snow is the heir to the north, maybe Robb left a letter with her or something

[The Crow's Third Eye]

Jeyne westerling could just be in the story to tell everyone that Jon snow is the heir to the north, maybe Robb left a letter with her or something

Robb hadn't named his heir when he last saw Jeyne; or if he had it wasn't acknowledged. A letter like that would need the approval of his bannermen, as his other document received. So Jeyne can't have been given a letter like that even if Robb had already decided his heir by then.

[Blind Beth the Cat Lady]

Note who isn't there. Where is the 2nd Westerling daughter? We have both parents and "Jeyne." But no mention of Eleyna... Martin is too good an author for this to be an oversight.

When two Westerling girls enter River Run but only one is seen leaving... something is afoot. Moreover, the Blackfish would never agree to give the real Jeyne to the Lannisters... he truly despises them. And he is clearly devoted to protecting her, as far as the BF knows, she's the last Stark. And if Sansa is gone, she has claim to be the Lady of Winterfell.

So I don't think Jeyne needs to be freed, I suspect she's with the Blackfish and he's making his way east. Whether he's going to the Vale (where he was once Knight of the Gate) or perhaps he's heading North (tough to sneak past the Twins, will Howland Reed help?) Or perhaps he'll encounter the BWB... any of those things bring him within some POVs.

This is tempting to think about, but I can't help but think of some serious counter arguments:

1) Jeyne's sister isn't mentioned, but neither is Jane's brother. Did he escape with Blackfish, too?

2) Jamie is no Tywin, but surely he can count to three. It's not mentioned, but I can't imagine that he never checked to make sure the other two siblings were there. They're just not as important as Jeyne, so they don't get "screen time."

3) Wide hips/narrow hips is subjective. Cat was assessing Jeyne's hips in terms of "can a baby fit through there?" whereas Jaime would be assessing them for va-va-voom factor. It's possible for hips to be plenty wide for childbirth but not necessarily eye-catching to a man used to looking at Cercei. Also, consider that Jeyne was probably wearing something figure-flattering (hips might look wider) when being introduced to her new husband's family but not for meeting the Kingslayer.

4) Blackfish was definitely devoted to Jeyne, but no matter how much he despises Jaime he would probably also realize that Jeyne is safer as a valuable, re-marriageable hostage than as a fugitive in the war-torn countryside.

[Miriel]

Jeyne has always had a big role to play. Remember her lineage. She has Targ blood (one of the princesses in the vault I think) and she is also the grand daughter of Maggie the mage. The Westetrling lineage is also ancient and "first man." GRRM made a point of mentioning this so it IS important.

Does she have Targ blood? I thought one of her ancestors married a Targ-but that means the Targs have Westerling blood, not that the Westerling have Targ blood. It's a subtle but important distinction.

ETA: yes, a Jeyne Westerling married Maegor I 300 years before our Jeyne married Robb. So Jeyne does not have Targ blood:

http://awoiaf.wester...ife_of_Maegor_I)

[WhineHaus]

Yes, of course I understand that. But on the other hand, he can't make a show vs. book character's outcome so divergent as to be ridiculously unbelievable.

I could see the TV merging all the warlock characters into one faction, not just as Pyat Pree (since he's dead). We know they're still after Daenerys in the TV show, as seen with the creepy blue-lipped girl. It wouldn't be too far off, since the Undying Ones still want revenge on Dany for burning the House of the Undying. As of the TV show, the warlocks still exist as a threat to Dany, and I hope we'll see that in WoW. They're a great bunch of antagonists, and they serve as a potential connection between Euron/Victarion/Iron Born and Dany.

[Lundy]

Lady Sybill gave Jeyne tansy tea, I'm pretty sure... So no pregnancy.

Though I'd not considered the possibility that the girl Jaime saw was not the real Jeyne. Interesting theory. Fake Arya & fake Jeyne. And one of the fakes is actually named Jeyne. Humorous.

If the girl Jaime saw was not Jeyne, then perhaps the real Jeyne could be preggers? I still doubt that one, considering the symbolism of the TV show stabbing of Talisa's baby bump is essentially the same action that Tansy tea takes... to the baby anyway.

[Stannis Lives]

Jeyne has no important role to play regarding the Starks. This was made very clear by the TV show when they chose to give the character a different name and kill her off at the RW. She may reappear in the story but it is obvious that the show made the decision it did to prevent any speculation about an heir and to prevent any speculation about Robb's wife rising to queen in the north. It was easier to kill her off then get into the whole westerling as bannerman to lannisters, tansy tea, in cahoots with tywin drama. No way the show would make that big of a decision without knowing that Robb's wife has no further role in the stark story. The producers of the show know what happens in the next two books. GRRM is a show consultant and told them in case something happens to him.