Mladen Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 She is married with his father, she is his stepmother and she is the worst stepmother in the books. OK, I understand your hatred, Jon is your favorite, but this has gone beyond any reason. Catelyn is not Jon's stepmother, by any definition known to humankind. Jon wasn't the fruit of previous romance or marriage, he was conceived and born at the time Ned was already married, so he simply can't be the stepchild to Catelyn. Second, as Minsc ninja'd me again, you actually say she is the worst, when you have crazy lunatic threatening to kill her husband's children... Dear Lord... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Jon was born after her marriage, from someone that wasn't his wife at the time. That makes him a bastard, since he's not legitimate and therefore, he has no connection to Catelyn whatsoever. Ramsay, after his legitimization, is stepson to Walda, like Littlefinger is to Little Robert. Jon being a bastard doesn't stop Ned from being his father. Cat is married to Ned thus he is his father and she is his stepmother. edit: OK, I understand your hatred, Jon is your favorite, but this has gone beyond any reason. Catelyn is not Jon's stepmother, by any definition known to humankind. Jon wasn't the fruit of previous romance or marriage, he was conceived and born at the time Ned was already married, so he simply can't be the stepchild to Catelyn. Second, as Minsc ninja'd me again, you actually say she is the worst, when you have crazy lunatic threatening to kill her husband's children... Dear Lord... I don't think that there is a difinition for a children who was born out of the wedlock and lives with his father, rather than stepfamily and since Jon is a part of that stepfamily and Cat is the mother of that family, Cat is his stepmother. And yes Cat lived with Jon, saw him growing up and did what she did against him his whole life. For me that is the worst step parent in the books. I could only choose one and in my opinion Cat is worse that Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Moreover, even if we use your definition she wouldn't even come close. In how, Cersei would then classify as stepmother to Robert's bastards and she ordered a number of them straight up murdered. One actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yeah, but murdering babies is nowhere near as bad as saying a mean thing once to Jon "The Chosen One" Snow and giving him cold stares once in a while. Right? How could I forget the special Jon Snow factor, in where any act that makes Jon slightly unhappy is the most morally unforgivable act within the entire series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Jon is commander of the NW. An honorable man who is doing his best for the wildings. Robb is a scumbag who sacks the riverlands, Westerlands and wanted the Ironborn to sack Lanniport. Arya is becoming an assassin in a self righteous group of psychos. Rickon is going to become a cannibal. Bran IS a cannibalistic tree who takes advantages of the feeble minded. Sansa is insipid. Clearly Jon is better than Catelyn's godawful children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alayne's Shadow. Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Jon is commander of the NW. An honorable man who is doing his best for the wildings. Robb is a scumbag who sacks the riverlands, Westerlands and wanted the Ironborn to sack Lanniport. Arya is becoming an assassin in a self righteous group of psychos. Rickon is going to become a cannibal. Bran IS a cannibalistic tree who takes advantages of the feeble minded. Sansa is insipid. Clearly Jon is better than Catelyn's godawful children. What ever floats your boat, I guess. You do have an idea though, that your point is pretty much based on your opnions? Like "Sansa is insipid"? I for one, find Sansa superior to Jon Snow. So yes, Cat's children are better than Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 One actually. There are also the twins that were at Casterly Rock that Cersei had killed and mother sold into slavery. Jon being a bastard doesn't stop Ned from being his father. Cat is married to Ned thus he is his father and she is his stepmother. The traditional and strictest definition of a "stepfamily" is a married couple where one or both members of the couple have pre-existing children who live with them Jon doesn't fit that criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Jon being a bastard doesn't stop Ned from being his father. Cat is married to Ned thus he is his father and she is his stepmother. Yes, but it does prevent us from calling Catelyn his stepmother. He is not a child born out of Ned's previous relationship, he was born during their marriage. Catelyn has no obligation towards Ned... And, btw, could we please stop ignoring logic? If Ned thought Jon has been molested abused by Catelyn, why didn't he send the boy to Howland or somewhere else? After all those years, the secret was safe, boy was safe, promise was fulfilled... I mean, if Cat was such monster you and some other present her, how come Ned was so fine with him being in Winterfell all those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 There are also the twins that were at Casterly Rock that Cersei had killed and mother sold into slavery. Jon doesn't fit that criteria. LF tells Ned that story and Ned (mentally) points out that such stories were told of every great house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alayne's Shadow. Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Jon being a bastard doesn't stop Ned from being his father. Cat is married to Ned thus he is his father and she is his stepmother. It doesn't fit the criteria in the books for stepmother. Nobody considers Cersei stepmother to Robert's children. Nor Selyse and Edric Storm. Bastards are not considered part of the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yes, but it does prevent us from calling Catelyn his stepmother. He is not a child born out of Ned's previous relationship, he was born during their marriage. Catelyn has no obligation towards Ned... And, btw, could we please stop ignoring logic? If Ned thought Jon has been molested by Catelyn, why didn't he send the boy to Howland or somewhere else? After all those years, the secret was safe, boy was safe, promise was fulfilled... I mean, if Cat was such monster you and some other present her, how come Ned was so fine with him being in Winterfell all those years. You mean harmed right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 What ever floats your boat, I guess. You do have an idea though, that your point is pretty much based on your opnions? Like "Sansa is insipid"? I for one, find Sansa superior to Jon Snow. So yes, Cat's children are better than Jon.well yeah. I am just stating why i think Jon is better than anything Cat related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 LF tells Ned that story and Ned (mentally) points out that such stories were told of every great house. Even so, the issue still stands that Cersei was willing to straight up murder one of her husband's bastards. While, Catelyn at worst said something mean once and gave cold looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Jon is commander of the NW. An honorable man who is doing his best for the wildings. Robb is a scumbag who sacks the riverlands, Westerlands and wanted the Ironborn to sack Lanniport. Arya is becoming an assassin in a self righteous group of psychos. Rickon is going to become a cannibal. Bran IS a cannibalistic tree who takes advantages of the feeble minded. Sansa is insipid. Clearly Jon is better than Catelyn's godawful children. Wow mindblown. As if its Brans fault for going to BR, it actually saved his life since the ironborn could of killed him had he stayed north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 You mean harmed right? I meant abused... Didn't know the adjective had that sexual component... Thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Even so, the issue still stands that Cersei was willing to straight up murder one of her husband's bastards. While, Catelyn at worst said something mean once and gave cold looks. No, absolutely. I'm just nitpicky. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaselPie Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I'm adding Melisandre as worst mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Jon is commander of the NW. An honorable man who is doing his best for the wildings. Robb is a scumbag who sacks the riverlands, Westerlands and wanted the Ironborn to sack Lanniport. Arya is becoming an assassin in a self righteous group of psychos. Rickon is going to become a cannibal. Bran IS a cannibalistic tree who takes advantages of the feeble minded. Sansa is insipid. Clearly Jon is better than Catelyn's godawful children. Decent trolling effort, but you can do better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I don't think that there is a difinition for a children who was born out of the wedlock and lives with his father, rather than stepfamily and since Jon is a part of that stepfamily and Cat is the mother of that family, Cat is his stepmother. Nice for you to admit that you are just making up definitions to fit your criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Jon is commander of the NW. An honorable man who is doing his best for the wildings. Robb is a scumbag who sacks the riverlands, Westerlands and wanted the Ironborn to sack Lanniport. Arya is becoming an assassin in a self righteous group of psychos. Rickon is going to become a cannibal. Bran IS a cannibalistic tree who takes advantages of the feeble minded. Sansa is insipid. Clearly Jon is better than Catelyn's godawful children. I think that you are right. But I think that happens because he had to grow up faster, because he had to take care of himself. Yes, but it does prevent us from calling Catelyn his stepmother. He is not a child born out of Ned's previous relationship, he was born during their marriage. Catelyn has no obligation towards Ned... And, btw, could we please stop ignoring logic? If Ned thought Jon has been molested abused by Catelyn, why didn't he send the boy to Howland or somewhere else? After all those years, the secret was safe, boy was safe, promise was fulfilled... I mean, if Cat was such monster you and some other present her, how come Ned was so fine with him being in Winterfell all those years. Who defines what a stepmother is? Maybe Ned didn't send Jon away I don't know, because he promised to Lyanna that he will take care of him? After all why Ned should do that? He should punish a child because a grown woman can't control herself? Send a child away to grew up without his family because a grow up woman's ego was hurted? We know from Jon's PoV that she did emotionaly abused him. Or that doesn't matter because his PoVs aren't Cat's PoVs? It doesn't fit the criteria in the books for stepmother. Nobody considers Cersei stepmother to Robert's children. Nor Selyse and Edric Storm. Bastards are not considered part of the family. Who defines what a stepmother is? A. Selyse isn't Robert's wife. B. Edric grew up with Renly and stayed with Stannis for a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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