Season 5 casting - v. 4 [Spoilers]

[Northernmonkey]

Jaime's only ever been with Cersei, what are you talking about?

Basically that in the books he abandons Cersei when in the Riverlands, so it doesn't make too much difference if he abandons her when he's in Dorne and shags a sandsnake. In the books he's only been tempted by Pia and Brienne so the sandsnakes will be a different matter.

But I'd forgotten he'd only ever been with Cersei so you're right it might be a bit weird.

[boojam]

They don't film scenes in the show chronological order. Varys' plan being revealed early in the season does not mean it will be one of the first filmed scene.

Here's a reminder for everyone: Casting news being announced in Comic Con does not mean that casting is done. The casting video they did for Comic con for season 3 had Orell, a fairly insignifiant character who had like four scenes in the show, but it did not have Mance Rayder, Ramsay Snow, Daario Naharis, Grey Worm and Locke. In fact, these guys were all anounced about six weeks after Comic Con, except for Iwan Rheon who was cast as "Boy" in late July.

It took me three times listening to it , but I heard David Benioff say "some" new cast, I did hear that right didn't I?

[boojam]

I agree. He dies showing that the dragons are not easily taken and the show has already gone to great lengths to illustrate the beasts are wild and unpredictable, so that's not needed again. If they snap at Dany, it's not likely that they'll let someone get very close. It would seem the show has already hinted that Quentyn is not needed.

I agree with that.... but , even, last season, I didn't clock it, but seemed all the action in the East was short compared even to season 2, maybe it was equivalent to season 2?

Even adapting from with invention from the book and getting to Danny-Drogon , which it seems they are going to do, maybe in Ep. 10 , what the heck is the story in

Meereen ?

Figured Quentyn is an interesting enough loop and does get two dragons loose.

[Dalpha]

I hope you're right, and I don't think his fate is necessarily tied to Arianne anyway, but why couldn't they have announced Young Griff? "Griff: a man on a boat that Tyrion will meet. Young Griff: his son." That doesn't really spoil anything.

Either that, or we would have certainly heard something. Based on that Elio source, (or whatever his name is lol), he seems to be legit, and he said that there are still characters to be announced, but they're all minor. The major ones have pretty much been announced. Aegon is major. And like someone said earlier, for the most part, the characters who get filmed in the locations for the NORTH are the ones who get announced late (unless they're minor.)

[Newstar]

We don't know for sure if Arianne's arc is tied to Young Griff. But the way I see it, there are two possibilities:

1) Arianne dies very early in TWOW and is completely irrelevant to the story,

2) Arianne's story is tied to fAegon, and the show is cutting his entire storyline because they find it too complicated and dependent on a complex historical background, and because they want to have just 7 seasons.

Option 2) seems much more likely to me. I would be surprised if GRRM built up Arianne so much and made her a complex POV character across two books just to killer her off early and have her come to absolutely nothing (even Quentyn has some plot relevance).

This. I think you have it. Arianne's story is probably wedded to Aegon's in the books, and if Aegon gets the chop, then Arianne will as well.

[Janicia]

You'd think Darkstar would have been announced alongside the Sand Snakes if he was cast, so I'm strongly suspecting that he's skipped. So what mission does Obara go on?

I could also see Doran mobilizing his army at the end of season 5, and sending Obara with the army. This makes the most sense to me.

I can't see Doran sending his only child to Essos with minimal escort on a long shot to make an alliance with Dany, especially when things have already gone dicey. I could see him sending Obara as an emissary to Dany. It would be more respectful to Dany to ask her to take a Dornish Hand than to ask her to take a Dornish husband, anyway.

Obara could go to Oldtown during season 5 and then Sam finds her (as Arabo??) there in season 6, but I don't see how the Oldtown plot can start in season 6 without hugely delaying Marwyn travelling to Dany. And if Marwyn being established and then leaving for Dany isn't important, I don't know what else about the Oldtown plot is essential. Also Jaqen, or at least his face, is in Bravos rather than in Oldtown, though he could go on a mission at the end of season 5 and show up in Oldtown, so that's not insurmountable. Anyway, my guess is that the Oldtown stuff is skipped or dramatically revamped and maybe it involves Obara, maybe Sarella, maybe no Snakes.

[Janicia]

Oh is there any word on Lancel re-appearing for season 5?

[Hippocras]

You'd think Darkstar would have been announced alongside the Sand Snakes if he was cast, so I'm strongly suspecting that he's skipped. So what mission does Obara go on?

I could also see Doran mobilizing his army at the end of season 5, and sending Obara with the army. This makes the most sense to me.

I can't see Doran sending his only child to Essos with minimal escort on a long shot to make an alliance with Dany, especially when things have already gone dicey. I could see him sending Obara as an emissary to Dany. It would be more respectful to Dany to ask her to take a Dornish Hand than to ask her to take a Dornish husband, anyway.

Obara could go to Oldtown during season 5 and then Sam finds her (as Arabo??) there in season 6, but I don't see how the Oldtown plot can start in season 6 without hugely delaying Marwyn travelling to Dany. And if Marwyn being established and then leaving for Dany isn't important, I don't know what else about the Oldtown plot is essential. Also Jaqen, or at least his face, is in Bravos rather than in Oldtown, though he could go on a mission at the end of season 5 and show up in Oldtown, so that's not insurmountable. Anyway, my guess is that the Oldtown stuff is skipped or dramatically revamped and maybe it involves Obara, maybe Sarella, maybe no Snakes.

I hadnt thought about Obara going to Meereen. Interesting.

Oldtown's importance really depends just how badass and magical Euron really is. I doubt Marwyn's timing matters. In any case he won't be meeting Dany for a while in the books since she is lost somewhere on the Dothraki sea, so he can easily be delayed.

In the books though, Obara wants to sack Oldtown while Sarella loves it. I don't see those two characters being merged. Besides, Sarella is black. Sarella can be introduced in season 6. Elia was specifically mentioned as Oberyn's 5th daughter.

I suppose another show variation could be that Obara is the one who attacks Oldtown, no Euron. Probably that's crazy though.

[Deadwood]

Here's Axechucker's take on it (formerly "FaB" on WiC, started a new website with 3 others because they didn't like WiC's Fansided partnership): http://watchersonthewall.com/arianne-question

What a brilliant read. It follows my own thoughts some of the way. They know how adaptations work anyway.

[naseridrl]

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Keisha-Castle-Hughes-2069.html

Keisha is quite small to be able to handle Jaime, then again, he probably still sucks at fighting.

I wasn't expecting them to cast someone quite in GC league in terms of height but I was certainly expecting someone tall and imposing. The rough and tough kind. She's obviously a good actress but Obara she isn't at all how I pictured Obara. She also looks like she could pass for Ellaria's daughter much better than the one who is cast as Tyene.

[Arkash]

I must admit, the twin daggers stuff for Tyene bothers me... seems like all 3 Sand Snakes will be warriors... hell, Tyene is supposed to be an expert on poisons before everything and I fear this will be dropped... I dont want all of them to end up the same (warrior women) !

[Defeatarion]

Did they cast the Greyjoys yet? No? Oh....ok...dw they will.......im sure....any time now...

[Kyrion]

Trystane has 0 lines.....

But it makes perfect sense to me as I laid asleep dreaming lol

Trystane and Areo Hotah over Quentyn and Arianne....

Trystane is D&D's character they can do whatever they want with him. Whereas Areo Hotah who everyone expected to get the axe(no pun intended) was actually perfect for D&D, since he has no character traits basically, D&D can create their own character through him, they love doing that.

So yeah, Quentyn and Arianne had too much character and individual stories to be included in this condensed 7 season show, but also D&D can put their own spin on events after Oberyns death.

And what I really wanted to post....ok so two mentions of the Golden Company last season. 1 time with Davos saying to Stannis they should hire them, well i dont think that will pan out, but the next mention is the most interesting one, it was said by Dany to Jorah that Jorah used to work for the Golden Company in the shows Canon atleast.

So it leads me to thinking....Second Sons and Stormcrows were merged and are now Daarios group, so Brown Ben is out(Unfortunately) and Tyrion/Jorah wont be joining them. Could it be possible that its the Golden Company that actually joined Yonkai? Its the only Sellsword company mentioned besides the Second sons lol

The story can be that Varys and Illyrio moved fast offscreen and tried to get Aegon to Dany immediately so Tyrion doesnt meet up with them in the course of them travelling to Dany, rather he meets up with them as they are at Yunkai's gates, and they are under guise of being on Yunkai's side. And Aegon will kind of take Quentyns role as kind of the person that goes to Meereen and asks for Dany's hand only to be rejected cause shell marry Hizdahr. I dont expect him to take Quentyns role fully with the Dragons being release(I hope not lol) but he will definitely be in Meereen if thats the Sellsword company Yunkai hires.

It made perfect sense to m while sleeping lol it could be that they are ditching Aegon having his own storyline and taking Storms end for time and just move him towards Meereen so hes with the other characters. I hope this is somewhat true lol....

[SerArthurHeath]

Basically that in the books he abandons Cersei when in the Riverlands, so it doesn't make too much difference if he abandons her when he's in Dorne and shags a sandsnake. In the books he's only been tempted by Pia and Brienne so the sandsnakes will be a different matter.

But I'd forgotten he'd only ever been with Cersei so you're right it might be a bit weird.

He was also tempted by the woman Bracken was fucking.

I just can't see Jaime ever sleeping with an enemy like the Sandsnakes, he does start to take his white cloak seriously you know?

And I can't see a Sandsnake sleeping with Jaime

[Dalpha]

I must admit, the twin daggers stuff for Tyene bothers me... seems like all 3 Sand Snakes will be warriors... hell, Tyene is supposed to be an expert on poisons before everything and I fear this will be dropped... I dont want all of them to end up the same (warrior women) !

Didn't she poison Bronn in the casting script? So, I think they'll stick with the poison knowledge. But they can all fight.

[Chebyshov]

Didn't she poison Bronn in the casting script? So, I think they'll stick with the poison knowledge. But they can all fight.

Yeah, I think that was just the actress being weird.

[Arkash]

I dont expect him to take Quentyns role fully with the Dragons being release(I hope not lol) but he will definitely be in Meereen if thats the Sellsword company Yunkai hires.

Imagine Aegon releasing the dragons and surviving the flames... that'd make the readers go bonkers ! ^^

Yeah, I think that was just the actress being weird.

Didnt the press release also specifies she's good at daggers, so it would be legit... I hope they dont forget the poisons ! I'm gonna mourn the innocent blonde blue-eyed septa daughter.

[naseridrl]

As irritated as I cam by the lack of Arianne I think I'm more annoyed about the possible changes to Ellaria. She was such a proponent of peace in the books and had a wonderful speech about it, despite losing what she did and having to watch it she still thought peace was better than revenge. Having that gone will really take away one of the biggest things that defined her.

[Annara Snow]

Basically that in the books he abandons Cersei when in the Riverlands, so it doesn't make too much difference if he abandons her when he's in Dorne and shags a sandsnake. In the books he's only been tempted by Pia and Brienne so the sandsnakes will be a different matter.

But I'd forgotten he'd only ever been with Cersei so you're right it might be a bit weird.

No, it DOES make a lot of difference if Jamie shags someone random. Because he would NOT. Please stop fucking up Jaime's character, will you, show? There's more than enough male characters who go and shag random women.

One of Jamie's most striking characteristics is that he is strictly one-man woman and a huge romantic. He emphasized that in the show, too. He does not sleep with Pia even when she offers herself to him and is clearly starstruck and crazy about him. Once he gets disillusioned with Cersei, he again does not sleep with random women. Instead, it is clear that he is slowly replacing Cersei with Brienne in his heart, even though he may not be fully aware of it.

[Chebyshov]

Didnt the press release also specifies she's good at daggers, so it would be legit... I hope they dont forget the poisons ! I'm gonna mourn the innocent blonde blue-eyed septa daughter.

From the casting leak: "Tyene Sand - The youngest of the Sand Snakes that we meet uses her wits and seductive powers, and is less of a physical fighter than the other Sand Snakes. She is just as deadly as her sisters, however, but her weapon is poison."

I think they're combining her characterization with Arianne, hence no Septa-spin (also to be able to directly tie a known character, Ellaria, to the snakes).