Strategies Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 The following is not a theory; it is proof gathered from a YouTube video which consisted of D.B Weiss indirectly telling the future.Another spoiler warning.. Jon Snow will not be saved my Melisendre. Instead he will warg into a wolf (direwolf; most likely Ghost) and then go back to his human self (possibly not during the 6th season)Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VI_wvl2SmITime: 8:24 Jon Snow is being asked a question of what he'd like to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jugdesh258 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 This has been beat to death. It means naught due to fickle nature of the writers. No doubt they had best intention to follow what we all think is the how the story unfolds in the book. ie The whole purpose for the Valmyr Sixskins prolouge. They got themselves into a jam with the clipity clip and only solve it with more clipping and patchwork writing. I am a true believer is resurrection so I don't spend time looking for evidence that does not exist like changing eyes, kit's haircut, or this week's clip bait conspiracy. Most like the warg angle was dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Jugdesh is right, that video is proof of nothing. It might happen, but I actually think that him saying that makes it a little less likely, as he would not want to give away a big spoiler like that. And he didn't look drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 The interview is suggestive but Jon looked dead in that last shot and his eyes did not go into 'warg mode.' Every warging experience on the show has been the same, even when Orell dies and wargs. Why would it be any different for Jon? He didn't warg, unless he was not actually dead in that last shot so season 6 opens with him warging and dying. However, that would feel cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grufolo Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 The following is not a theory; it is proof gathered from a YouTube video which consisted of D.B Weiss indirectly telling the future.Another spoiler warning.. Jon Snow will not be saved my Melisendre. Instead he will warg into a wolf (direwolf; most likely Ghost) and then go back to his human self (possibly not during the 6th season)Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VI_wvl2SmITime: 8:24Jon Snow is being asked a question of what he'd like to do He's just playing with/winking at fan theories, which he knows far too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masha Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I think the biggest problem with warging is the Wolf. There is a reason why Ghost shows up so little in the show because its so expensive and the logistics of it 1) They film a real white wolf - and I think there is only 1 reliable trainer with the wolf and he has been busy with other projects except maybe for 1-2 eps per season. There was the interview and he was talking about BIG scene with Ghost and it turned out 1 min scene were Ghost growled at Sam's attackers. They have a lot of issues getting a lot of scenes and time with that wolf 2) then they put a CGI on that wolf to make it big. At best they can show Ghost AND Summer 1 or 2 episodes per season, to have Jon warg Ghost and run about in his body for all or most of the season will require a lot more than 1 or 2 episodes. Based on logistics problems they have with Direwolves they can't have Ghost as "Jon" for most of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion's Double Axe Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 It would be interesting to see this Jon is the warg angle, if it is true, unfold over season 6--can see scenes where Night's Watch goes, there's something about that wolf that reminds me of Jon Snow, its movements, how it looks at people. Ghost/Jon's spirit is also very motivated to take revenge on the Watchers that helped assassinate human Jon--he could be the Jacquen H'gar of wolves, one by one they went down. The Jon Snow Kill List. Can see the big reveal that It is Jon!!! as a great season 6 episode 10 closer, rock and roll us into season 7. Tyrion's Double Axe, thanks, regards"From the Night's Watch Library...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khorkalba Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Am I the only one who finds the thought of Jon spending an entire season inside Ghost to be incredibly cringeworthy? The direwolves already act like slightly darker versions of Lassie, showing up just at the right time to save characters. The thought of more of that all season with the implication that Jon is inside controlling the animal seems incredibly hokey to me. The only thing that would make it worse would be if Sam was still at the Wall to have conversations with him about his relationship with Gilly, with camera shots of the wolf trying to convey human expressions. Also, for those suggesting that the producers are just teasing fans and warging won't feature at all now in Jon's revival, let's not forget that Dumb & Dumber essentially confirmed that Jon Snow's parentage is of huge importance before the TV series even began with their little story about how they got the job. They're not the most careful people at concealing what's going to happen in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeraAgnes Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 If Jon wargs into Ghost or even Ollie as that was his final spoken word, my concern is his body integrity... It will be way too creepy if he is even on ice until season 7..decomposition is inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 His name was Jon it rhymes with gone. Why do you think his direwolf is named Ghost? Jon will haunt the survivors because his contoversial decisions will turn out to be right, and he won't be around when they need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 The suggestive set up for Jon warging has been strong in the books, however they really haven't gone into anything relating to it at all in the shows story line. Given that they are aware a large (most likely majority) portion of show viewers don't read the books, I think they will not carry that story. They added Msandra arriving back to the wall 'just in time' for some good 'ol Kings Blood to be a'flowin! (Given that she has only tried to have it on with Gendry, Stannis and Jon, she must see him as having the blood she wants. Having said that, if they do warg him, he most likely won't be around a lot as ghost anyway, as there are so many other story lines that need evolution at this stage....Bran, Sam, Ironborn, Dany, Cersi/Tomman/general KL, etc. Will be a painful wait until we find out, no matter what way they go :frown5: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben H'gahr Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Am I the only one who finds the thought of Jon spending an entire season inside Ghost to be incredibly cringeworthy? The direwolves already act like slightly darker versions of Lassie, showing up just at the right time to save characters. The thought of more of that all season with the implication that Jon is inside controlling the animal seems incredibly hokey to me. The only thing that would make it worse would be if Sam was still at the Wall to have conversations with him about his relationship with Gilly, with camera shots of the wolf trying to convey human expressions. Also, for those suggesting that the producers are just teasing fans and warging won't feature at all now in Jon's revival, let's not forget that Dumb & Dumber essentially confirmed that Jon Snow's parentage is of huge importance before the TV series even began with their little story about how they got the job. They're not the most careful people at concealing what's going to happen in the story. No dude, I am totally with you on your analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Brandon Badwater Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Everr heard of offf hand meaningless comments? They really gonna reveal future season spoilers at comic con :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I predict Ghost warg and Bran rez in the books and a Melisandre rez in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAralinda Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 back in march in a Panel in Oxford, Kit accidently spoiled what possibly will happen... (kit's face and reaction is priceless!) SPOILERS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d5en5oTs5g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I think the biggest problem with warging is the Wolf. There is a reason why Ghost shows up so little in the show because its so expensive and the logistics of it Good point. It seemed to me, they were barely using Jon and Ghost association. I suppose, for the show, warging is specific to Bran now. Other Starks may have wolves, but only Bran is able to warg, his wolf or Hodor. I doubt they will use that with Jon. IMO, it is of limited usefulness anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Bastard Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I think the biggest problem with warging is the Wolf. There is a reason why Ghost shows up so little in the show because its so expensive and the logistics of it 1) They film a real white wolf - and I think there is only 1 reliable trainer with the wolf and he has been busy with other projects except maybe for 1-2 eps per season. There was the interview and he was talking about BIG scene with Ghost and it turned out 1 min scene were Ghost growled at Sam's attackers. They have a lot of issues getting a lot of scenes and time with that wolf 2) then they put a CGI on that wolf to make it big. At best they can show Ghost AND Summer 1 or 2 episodes per season, to have Jon warg Ghost and run about in his body for all or most of the season will require a lot more than 1 or 2 episodes. Based on logistics problems they have with Direwolves they can't have Ghost as "Jon" for most of season. I've always thought that considering the logistics, that the direwolves should be full CGI. Too much dragons and not enough direwolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 IF -- JS wargs, he should warg into Drogon. That could make a terrific arc. Highly, if not entirely, unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man from Nowhere Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 back in march in a Panel in Oxford, Kit accidently spoiled what possibly will happen... (kit's face and reaction is priceless!) SPOILERS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d5en5oTs5gThis. Dumber says season 6 when Jon says he'd like to put himself in the wolf. Dumb then stares dumber in the eyes and looks like he's just realised what they have just given away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer 24 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 This. Dumber says season 6 when Jon says he'd like to put himself in the wolf. Dumb then stares dumber in the eyes and looks like he's just realised what they have just given away.What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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