Who wants Bran to meet Jon? [ Book Spoilers ]

[King Theon]

I hope they don't meet. I read a post on one of these threads the other day which hypothesised that Bran would warg Hodor and escape that way. Going further than that, though, I think Karl will be cruel (because that's just classic Karl) and tell Jon they killed his brother and burnt their bodies or something, which will make Jon execute him. Locke being in earshot would prevent him chasing them and set him up for the Bowen Marsh role next season.

I'm prepared for all of this to be wrong, but throwing it out there regardless! If they do meet, it will suck. Sam telling Jon makes more sense than how the book did it (even if them not putting in that scene in the show was stupid), but then him thinking Bran's dead returns to the status quo and means it doesn't mess with Stannis' offer and stuff.

[Lady Fevre Dream]

Actually I got the feeling that D & D want to have Bran be the Hero.... Capturing Bran was a way to show his true warging abilities to the audience...which will be kick ass and revive Bran's stagnating story line.

Karl and the traitors will push Bran too far...probably by threatening to kill the Reeds...and he will either warg Hodor and Hodor will escape and let out Summer and Ghost (who I think will be our only reuniting of the Starks via their direwolves)...I see the direwolves laying waste to Crasters Keep (oh Rast, you should have made nice with Ghost when you had the chance) and by the time Jon and Co. reach the Keep all the traitors will be dead (not sure about Crasters wives)....and Bran and the Reeds will have fled....

I think a Locke assisination attempt will be thwarted because of the carnage....and maybe the sight of Ghost/Bran missing will have Locke rethinking his plan. I welcome the addition of Locke and whether Jon will see through him at some point.

This of course is how I would write it, oh dare to dream...

I do like that scenario. All of it.

[iknownothingjonsnow]

I do like that scenario. All of it.

Can he just warg into Karl and have him plunge a knife in his own belly?

[Danger Zone]

^^ Seriously this. With no Coldhands they should just make Bran powerful enough to get himself to Bloodraven. Plus it would be a great and terrifying scene. Instead I fear they will have Jon save the day and have Bran be useless which makes no Coldhands even more stupid than it already is.

[CandleWisps]

If it doesn't end up being a near miss I will be suprised as hell. And in all honesty, I don't want Bran and Jon to meet up. The Starks are practically there to be separated from each other and miserable, so even having some form of quick meeting would ruin that pillar in a sense. Even if they did meet, they would have to separate of their own free will and that would take up more time and be a morally harder chioce to come to grips with. During Sam and Jon's library scene, Jon sounded as if he was already sort of coming to terms that there was nothing he could do, other than trust Bran that he knew what he was doing.

And I agree with the poster (sorry, can't remember who :( ) who mentioned Rickon. Jon surely would have been thinking about what happened to his youngest sibling, but as you said the show pretty much ignores his existence :/

As for the Reeds, I don't think their secret-knowledge-bomb will be a problem since I don't think theyll meet up anyways. But it is still interesting and I didn't even think of that till it was mentioned. And it does make me curious how they are going to slowly ween that into the show, given that readers know R+L=J based mostly on visions, dreams, and Ned's accounts of the Rebellion.

[Danger Zone]

So hope they don't meet. Even better if the mutineers tell Jon they killed Bran.

[rmholt]

Hoping Edd takes care of Karl. With more than a quip.

[ovis alba]

How about we actually wait and find out how Jon comes through the assassination attempt before we descibe it as dying. For all we know, Jon may just use the presence of Ghost to help him heal, as Bran seemed to do after the fall.

Why do you think I wrote "dies" and not just dies?

[Waylin Stark]

I don't want them to reunite so soon.

And I don't think they will either.

It'll most probably be a very near miss.

Like Bran will do some warging and save they'll save themselves just as the Watch are attacking. The mutineers will be distracted and Bran and Co. will get away.

Heck, I don't even think Karl will get a chance to tell Jon what happened.

And midst all this chaos, Locke will try to assassinate Jon but it'll fail. So he'll stick around a while longer.

And I doubt we'll see Coldhands.

[Jess Bishop]

Why do people think that Jon will learn something life altering from the Reeds?

[Winterfell's Revenge]

Hoping Edd takes care of Karl. With more than a quip.

Nope. Karl's death certificate will likely be signed by Jon. I can't wait!

[rmholt]

Why do people think that Jon will learn something life altering from the Reeds?

Because Howland Reed knows what happened at the Tower of Joy and unlike Ned he talks to his kids. In fact he sent them to Bran.

[Hangover of the Morning]

Because Howland Reed knows what happened at the Tower of Joy and unlike Ned he talks to his kids. In fact he sent them to Bran.

Show!Jojen tells Bran that his father has never talked about Robert's Rebellion. I think the likelihood that Jojen will spill the beans about R+L=J or that he will even talk to Jon in the upcoming episode are extremely low.

[Lady Fevre Dream]

Show!Jojen tells Bran that his father has never talked about Robert's Rebellion. I think the likelihood that Jojen will spill the beans about R+L=J or that he will even talk to Jon in the upcoming episode are extremely low.

LOL, that's what I was about to point out. Jojen does say that his dreams have shown him Robert's Rebellion, among other things.

[Uldra I]

D&D have so much material to cover in the remaining seasons. Until now they've combined secondary characters and subplots in order to skip time consuming or in some cases more expensive scenes. So far, these changes have been relatively minor IMO and have been cleverly done so as not to disrupt the storyline in the books too much. In E04 there were a couple of reveals that will end some endless debate on the forums as well. LF and Lady Olenna working together to poison Joffrey, and what happened to Craster's sons after the WW's took them. Yay for those reveals!

In E04 they departed from the stories in the books altogether by having Sam tell Jon about Bran, and by having Bran & co captured at Craster's Keep, and by sending Jon out to Craster's. I'm not upset by this, but more disturbed and curious. It still doesn't make sense to me. Obviously, it is some type of device for moving the plot along, tying up loose ends, etc... but why do something that is so completely divorced from the books? Guess we'll have to wait an episode or two to find out. It really makes me uncomfortable about whether the remaining seasons will stay true to GRRM's story. If they create a completely different path, even if the arrive at the same conclusion, then it is not the same story.

A couple thoughts about what D&D may use this scene to accomplish that haven't been mentioned yet:

-Locke could be eliminated in battle at the Keep. Vargo Hoat died long ago in the books.

-The water Rast poured on the ground in front of Ghost's cage froze way too quickly which scared Rast enough that he ran off. This must mean WW's are nearby.

One wild speculation on how Bran & Co could escape that I haven't heard yet... One of Karl's rapers decides he wants Meera, since they seem to think it is ok to just rape everyone. That could cause all kinds of ruckuss. Karl may say " NO" causing fighting amongst the mutineers. Meera could pull a ninja on the raper and create a huge scene. Either of these scenarios might be sufficient for Bran or Jojen to free Hodor and the direwolves. Another possibility, Bran & co. would become terribly upset by Meera being threatened that it rouses them to taking some kind of action.

Surely, D&D can't be planning a reunion between Bran & Jon. If they did, they'd really have to get creative to explain how Jon let Bran continue his journey. Also, the idea that Jojen tells Jon his parentage seems way too early in the show story. If you assume GRRM has held off from giving us that info for a reason, then D&D probably won't hurry that reveal this early in the story.

The whole thing baffles me, but I do trust D&D so far. They have to have some good reasons other than filler. They have way too much story to tell to waste precious air time on "filler".

[Hard Hugh]

I think it will be a near miss. Bran will Warg Hodor to free the wolves or The mutineers will somehow free the wolves in an effort to use them for amusement (maybe try feeding Meera to them) The kids will get loose just as the mutineers are then descended on by Jon’s crew. I think the kids and Hodor keep fleeing North….but I think Locke breaks off and tracks them…this will lend a little danger to the trip North and make it more interesting. I even had a crackpot theory that Locke dies in the process or is killed by others and then becomes the Wright…Coldhands. He is dressed as a Nightswatch brother. It would help explain his purpose and help condense a few minor characters.

[SMF269]

I just want Bran to do something, anything really.

[Justin Danford]

Wait wait hold the fuck up! No CH? I seriously was hoping to see him. If they are omitting him then I see why they are writing Jon to kill them all. But also CH, is the one who helps Bran to his destination, right? Damn,

Clearly Jon murders the mutineers, but is stabbed in the back by Locke who tries to end the Stark line. Locke goes to kill Bran, but Jon - having warged Ghost just before he died - wargs back into his corpse and takes out Locke before he can hurt Bran. Jon then learns of Bran's quest and decides to escort him to find the 3ER. Bran is scared at first, seeing his dead brother, undead...but unJon extends his hand and Bran takes it (it's very cold).

Of course, this is nonesense, but seeing as D&D are just making stuff up now, why not!

[Dany's Silver]

I don't think they can have Jon and Bran meet. Hey, by the way, I can warg into my wolf, you should try it too, and I have prophetic dreams and I'm heading to the far North to fulfill my destiny that I see when I touch the weirwood trees....that is WAY too much information for Jon to have going forward.

I wonder if Jon will warg into Ghost without meaning to when he is suddenly in the presence of Ghost after such a long separation, and through Ghost's eyes he'll see Summer. I thought that Bran should have been able to restablish a connection with Summer after the intial shock of Summer falling through the trap severed their connection, but that's just me.

I hope they don't meet. I read a post on one of these threads the other day which hypothesised that Bran would warg Hodor and escape that way. Going further than that, though, I think Karl will be cruel (because that's just classic Karl) and tell Jon they killed his brother and burnt their bodies or something, which will make Jon execute him. Locke being in earshot would prevent him chasing them and set him up for the Bowen Marsh role next season.

I'm prepared for all of this to be wrong, but throwing it out there regardless! If they do meet, it will suck. Sam telling Jon makes more sense than how the book did it (even if them not putting in that scene in the show was stupid), but then him thinking Bran's dead returns to the status quo and means it doesn't mess with Stannis' offer and stuff.

I suspect that Ghost will not interact well with Locke (either at CK or CB), and his suspicious/wary treatment of Locke will key Jon into realizing that something is off about this newest recruit.

D&D have so much material to cover in the remaining seasons. Until now they've combined secondary characters and subplots in order to skip time consuming or in some cases more expensive scenes. So far, these changes have been relatively minor IMO and have been cleverly done so as not to disrupt the storyline in the books too much. In E04 there were a couple of reveals that will end some endless debate on the forums as well. LF and Lady Olenna working together to poison Joffrey, and what happened to Craster's sons after the WW's took them. Yay for those reveals!

In E04 they departed from the stories in the books altogether by having Sam tell Jon about Bran, and by having Bran & co captured at Craster's Keep, and by sending Jon out to Craster's. I'm not upset by this, but more disturbed and curious. It still doesn't make sense to me. Obviously, it is some type of device for moving the plot along, tying up loose ends, etc... but why do something that is so completely divorced from the books? Guess we'll have to wait an episode or two to find out. It really makes me uncomfortable about whether the remaining seasons will stay true to GRRM's story. If they create a completely different path, even if the arrive at the same conclusion, then it is not the same story.

A couple thoughts about what D&D may use this scene to accomplish that haven't been mentioned yet:

-Locke could be eliminated in battle at the Keep. Vargo Hoat died long ago in the books.

-The water Rast poured on the ground in front of Ghost's cage froze way too quickly which scared Rast enough that he ran off. This must mean WW's are nearby.

One wild speculation on how Bran & Co could escape that I haven't heard yet... One of Karl's rapers decides he wants Meera, since they seem to think it is ok to just rape everyone. That could cause all kinds of ruckuss. Karl may say " NO" causing fighting amongst the mutineers. Meera could pull a ninja on the raper and create a huge scene. Either of these scenarios might be sufficient for Bran or Jojen to free Hodor and the direwolves. Another possibility, Bran & co. would become terribly upset by Meera being threatened that it rouses them to taking some kind of action.

Surely, D&D can't be planning a reunion between Bran & Jon. If they did, they'd really have to get creative to explain how Jon let Bran continue his journey. Also, the idea that Jojen tells Jon his parentage seems way too early in the show story. If you assume GRRM has held off from giving us that info for a reason, then D&D probably won't hurry that reveal this early in the story.

The whole thing baffles me, but I do trust D&D so far. They have to have some good reasons other than filler. They have way too much story to tell to waste precious air time on "filler".

Or perhaps the WW were nearby only long enough to take Craster's son off to the Land of Always Winter.

[dbunting]

As to the post above from Doloros, IMO the ice froze because that wight came and took the baby.

I am about done with near miss meetings so I don't want another. Brans journey at this point in the books is boring as hell so this just keeps him relevent. Him and Jon meeting can be done well and everything has worked so far, so why lose faith now? I never understood why Sam wouldn't have told Jon about Bran anyway.

As for "the show never mentioning Rickon"....the books didn't either! You really didn't see anything from him once they split until Davos was at White Harbor. There was nothing at all, same as the tv series.