Emilia Clarke's range

[coppersam]

Two things, I heard it was Esmé Bianco and it's why they killed her character.

This was my understanding too. Every article on this issue, however, plastered Clarke's face right under the headline, so it was very misleading.

[DaveyJoe]

She was nominated for season 3 as well.

[Travy1991]

Thanks. I still don't think she was Emmy worthy...but I can see as a newcomer in a wild, high profile role, in a critically acclaimed series, where she did have a range of stuff to do, certainly Season 1 to me was her best year.

She did not receive an Emmy nomination in Season 1, only Peter Dinklage received an Emmy nomination that year. Emilia received an Emmy nomination in Season 3 for "Now His Watch Is Ended" (3x04) for the "Dracarys" scene.

[boojam]

Two things, I heard it was Esmé Bianco and it's why they killed her character.

Seems I remember two things about not-doing-nudity thing.

One was an extra who was hired but back out because of the nudity thing.

Other I read somewhere was that Esmé Bianco did her share of nudity season 1, maybe 3 or 4 or more times.

She did not want to die in the nude in season 3, they accommodated her.

I miss Bianco, at first I thought she was a third string actress who would do the sexposition scenes... but even in season 1 I noticed she could act. Then she turned out to be the equal of many of the pros, in fact quite good.

She was an invented character so could not see her lasting.

Glad they at least Red Carpeted her once!

[D_Richard]

Did you all come from 4chan's House of Misogyny? Calling a Queen character bitchy because she's mad one of her lieutenants didn't consult with her before a major military engagement is the height of double standards.

This place gets ugly when you all start ripping on the female leads.

[bobbybuilderton]

This place gets ugly when you can't criticize a female without being suspected of misogyny. Take your pseudo-feminist soapbox somewhere else. Or you can stay here and generalize all of us based on comments made by a couple of people. Most of us here have stated that the problem is the writing or Emilia's acting. You act as if this thread is full of people telling her to make Jorah's dinner and let the men handle the war effort. >.>

[hollowcrown]

Did you all come from 4chan's House of Misogyny? Calling a Queen character bitchy because she's mad one of her lieutenants didn't consult with her before a major military engagement is the height of double standards.

This place gets ugly when you all start ripping on the female leads.

Maybe Daario took the navy because it was the right thing to do? Imagine if Daario didn't take the navy and they just sailed off and then Dany had no ships?

"Why didn't you seize the navy?"

"You didn't tell us to Khaleesi..."

"So now they're gone?"

"Yes Daenerys Stormborn"

"Damn it you stupid man!"

This scene just made Dany look bitchy for no reason.

[AnotherCrannogman]

There is no misogyny in this thread. Try actually reading it.

[Queen of Whores]

This place gets ugly when you all start ripping on the female leads.

But when you start ripping on the male leads no one gives a fuck, right? lol

[AnotherCrannogman]

People protect Jon the same way and some think he is a worse actor. I would say we are pretty even here.

[Guard of the Rainking]

I really dislike book Daario and thought that Ed Skrein's performance was beyond annoying. Huisman on the other is growing on me. Come on "I heard you liked ships" line was great. Now if only Emilia started to improve her acting I might even enjoy the Meereen arc. Hell I didn't like Kit Harrington's acting for the three first seasons, but during this season he has been one of the highlights. The least that Emilia can do is the learn to control her lips and her eyebrows.

[Stannis Eats No Peaches]

Her writing has been a bit crap, but I also find her too stiff. It's fine to be stiff and authoritative when talking to her council, but when it was just her and Jorah I was expecting her to show a lot more vulnerability. Nope.

[cade]

Two things, I heard it was Esmé Bianco and it's why they killed her character.

She denied that and there's no evidence to the contrary.

[Cyril]

Agreed. If she showed less formality with Jorah I might have been able to buy the performance, but nope. Now, I can see her more formal with Jorah when she's angry with him; quiet, withdrawn anger is common. But she's clearly not angry with him. He is precisely the person she'd show her vulnerability to.

[Cas Stark]

The whole scene itself was kind of rushed.

They threw in the navy bit because Daario 2.0. Whatever. He gets less sexy to me every time I see him.

Having her find out that both Astapor and Yunkai have gone back to slavery, maybe something that important might have merited more than 2 or 3 lines between the two of them. Maybe she sits down? Puts her head in her hands, or, at least a change in her tone of voice?????

So, that puts it about 50/50 on the show and Emilia for a very unrewarding scene.

[The BlackBear]

What proof do you have of that? I take issue with the statement because it presumes there's something wrong with doing nudity. Why don't you get on Alfie Allen's case for whipping his wiener out in season 1?

I have no problem with nudity if there's a reason for it. Simply put there is a hell of a lot more female flesh on show, and a lot of the time there's absolutely no point behind it. It feels like they're insulting the intelligence of the viewer, like we won't keep watching unless we get a pair of breasts an episode.

TheBlackBear is speculating because at some point last year, mid-way through Season 3, Oona Chaplin said one of the actresses on the show refused to do nudity although she had previously done nudity on the show before. It became a news story and people were assuming it was Emilia because she hadn't been naked since Season 1 at that point. But then she got her kit off in 3x08 so it probably wasn't her.

It was most likely Sibel Kekilli. I've seen some horrible slut shaming comments about Sibel online. People saying she should go back and do porn because that's all she is good for. And you might not think Kekilli is a great actress but some of these comments were way out of line. I think TheBlackBear was also criticising the fact that female nudity is favoured more on the show overall than male nudity and there's an imbalance there (which TheBlackBear is not wrong about). He's criticising the sexism of it, not the actual nudity itself.

I recall reading it in a newspaper, presumably that's what it was.

...yet she doesn't seem to have a problem with her character ordering the crucifixion of 163 random people.

But of course, nudity is worse.

Just because a character is the type to order mass slaughter, doesn't mean they're also the type to just whip their tits out for no reason at all. :dunno:

[sj4iy]

I have no problem with nudity if there's a reason for it. Simply put there is a hell of a lot more female flesh on show, and a lot of the time there's absolutely no point behind it. It feels like they're insulting the intelligence of the viewer, like we won't keep watching unless we get a pair of breasts an episode.

Speaking as a female viewer who is not really that interested in a pair of breasts, I can say that it really doesn't bother me nor does it feel insulting to my intelligence.

I know many other female viewers who feel the same way.

[AnotherCrannogman]

This is HBO. People watch for some skin.

[Alayne's Shadow.]

My opinion is that Emilia is certainly to blame, but the writers/directors are not helping her, at all. For one, they seem obsessed with "Dany is this badass even in private" which simply does not work. It gives an odd pacing to the scene. Where is Dany's self-doubt? Her emotion at knowing what happened to Yunkai and Astapor? Emilia tried to convey that, even for a bit, but it just seemed the script was pushing for "Stoic/Regal Dany". That said, Emilia seems so wooden in those scenes. I had at first found extremely awkward Dany's reaction to the slave children crucified, and she uses almost the same expression for this scene.

[KhalDrewby]

This is my first TV season after finishing the books (I read them before Season 3 and 4). I can say that Danaerys went from my favorite character (on screen) to my least favorite (on screen). I don't mind her book character but the TV show character is just so rude and snappy compared to the book character, merely a young girl.