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Jason and the Argonauts for me XD

I still liked it, though. Meera killing Jojen was pretty heartbreaking.

The whole thing felt a bit silly at first because I was reminded of the Pirates skeleton fight scenes and whatnot, but when Jojen got stabbed I sobered up real quick.

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More practical than a bunch of 2 feet tall CGI furries.

This. I mean, she made it pretty clear that she wasn't actually a child by saying that they were much older than the first men.

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Dunno if anyone else felt this, but when the skeletons started popping up I got a definite Pirates of the Caribbean vibe. They seemed to move faster than regular wights.

Actually I got an original clash of the titans feel, but yeah you could go with pirates. They sure didn't give off the cold vibe the whites do. Plenty of bones though.

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Someone on the General GOT board asked for potential confirmation or rebuttal of theories from 4x10, and here's what I posted:

1. The Hound's clearly still alive in the books and clearly has a role to play in post-ADWD books, as we suspected. 4x10 would have been the perfect place to kill him off onscreen if the Hound's role was done in the books, or even if the Hound's only remaining part was the "Easter egg" of the Hound being suggested to be the gravedigger on the Quiet Isle, and D&D did not do so. The Hound is very much alive when Arya abandons him, suggesting that he is coming back into the main storyline down the line.

2. Jojenpaste is unlikely to be a thing, since Jojen's corpse was destroyed in the show. It's not surprising that Jojen died, since Book Jojen is pretty obviously doomed.

3. Tysha being omitted is a big deal...although remember that back in Season 1, TV Shae pointed out that no woman who'd almost been raped would immediately hop into bed with someone. In retrospect, it seems like TV Tysha was always supposed to be a whore. In terms of what this means for the books, it suggests that Book Tysha is not going to factor meaningfully in Book Tyrion's endgame, and Book Tyrion's search for Tysha will be fruitless.

4. No Tyrion/Jaime estrangement in the show. It was suggested hat maybe D&D know that Tyrion and Jaime will never meet again in the books, and so wanted to end their relationship on a good note, since in the books most of their struggle with what the other said to hurt them is internal.

4. Tormund telling Jon "You can never be a kneeler again." Jon = king foreshadowing, maybe? (Can't remember who pointed that out.)

Anything I miss?

I think you covered it all. And Jon will never be a kneeler again def foreshadowing
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Actually I got an original clash of the titans feel, but yeah you could go with pirates. They sure didn't give off the cold vibe the whites do. Plenty of bones though.

Admittedly, I liked it. I thought it was nice to finally see some dead people that didn't have flesh on them reanimated.

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Benioff and Weiss are not stenographers. They are working professionals that are highly respected in the industry. Do you really expect them to copy and paste material, word for word? They are D&D, they are not cntrl+C.

Some complaints are valid opinions, but seriously guys... Demanding specific lines and specific characters at certain specific points in the episode is ridiculous. And so is saying it affects character development. Whether tyrion says the tysha line or not, it does not affect character development if Tyrion still changes (development) without the line. He changed. End of story.

Stop confounding your thwarted expectations with a story being well told.

It was a good episode tonight.

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it suggests that Book Tysha is not going to factor meaningfully in Book Tyrion's endgame, and Book Tyrion's search for Tysha will be fruitless.

Book Tyrion isn't really looking for Tysha at all, is he? He's just moping.

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Someone on the General GOT board asked for potential confirmation or rebuttal of theories from 4x10, and here's what I posted:

1. The Hound's clearly still alive in the books and clearly has a role to play in post-ADWD books, as we suspected. 4x10 would have been the perfect place to kill him off onscreen if the Hound's role was done in the books, or even if the Hound's only remaining part was the "Easter egg" of the Hound being suggested to be the gravedigger on the Quiet Isle, and D&D did not do so. The Hound is very much alive when Arya abandons him, suggesting that he is coming back into the main storyline down the line.

2. Jojenpaste is unlikely to be a thing, since Jojen's corpse was destroyed in the show. It's not surprising that Jojen died, since Book Jojen is pretty obviously doomed.

3. Tysha being omitted is a big deal...although remember that back in Season 1, TV Shae pointed out that no woman who'd almost been raped would immediately hop into bed with someone. In retrospect, it seems like TV Tysha was always supposed to be a whore. In terms of what this means for the books, it suggests that Book Tysha is not going to factor meaningfully in Book Tyrion's endgame, and Book Tyrion's search for Tysha will be fruitless.

4. No Tyrion/Jaime estrangement in the show. It was suggested hat maybe D&D know that Tyrion and Jaime will never meet again in the books, and so wanted to end their relationship on a good note, since in the books most of their struggle with what the other said to hurt them is internal.

4. Tormund telling Jon "You can never be a kneeler again." Jon = king foreshadowing, maybe? (Can't remember who pointed that out.)

5. Sandor's line about regretting not fucking Sansa bloody is kept in. Keep those SanSan fires burning! (...although the line about how he regrets letting the Kingsguard beat her is not included, so there's that, I guess).

Anything I miss?

Except for point 5, I agree with all and I loved point 4 being a possible foreshadow.

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I think if anything it makes Jojen paste seem more a possibility, although it makes it's importance to the plot less likely.

That was definitely my reluctant reaction.

There is no way they would actually go into the jojenpaste specifics, so the fact that the character was tied off left me thinking 'shit, jojenpaste paste might actually be a thing' and this is the only way the show would address that.

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