Mithras Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Here, we are considering only the marriages in which at least one of the sides is highborn. Cregan Karstark’s lips skinned back from his teeth. “Alys was promised to me.” Though past fifty, he had been a strong man when he went into the cell. The cold had robbed him of that strength and left him stiff and weak. “My lord father—”“Your father is a castellan, not a lord. And a castellan has no right to make marriage pacts.”“My father, Arnolf, is Lord of Karhold.”“A son comes before an uncle by all the laws I know.”Cregan pushed himself to his feet and kicked aside the furs clinging to his ankles. “Harrion is dead.”Or will be soon. “A daughter comes before an uncle too. If her brother is dead, Karhold belongs to Lady Alys. And she has given her hand in marriage to Sigorn, Magnar of Thenn.” We learn that only the lord has the right to make marriage pacts. The queen pulled free of the eunuch’s touch. “You would not speak so if you were women. Say what you will, my lords, but Joffrey is too proud to settle for Renly’s leavings. He will never consent.”Tyrion shrugged. “When the king comes of age in three years, he may give or withhold his consent as he pleases. Until then, you are his regent and I am his Hand, and he will marry whomever we tell him to marry. Leavings or no.” In this case, Joffrey is the Lord of House Baratheon and it is his decision to marry whoever he wants. However, he is also not a man grown yet. That means his regent has the authority to make a marriage agreement until he comes of age. Tyrion (the acting Hand in place of Tywin) speaks with the king’s voice. Though not as strong as the regent’s, his voice carries some weight too. “No,” Sansa blurted. “No.”“Yes. You are a ward of the crown. The king stands in your father’s place, since your brother is an attainted traitor. That means he has every right to dispose of your hand. You are to marry my brother Tyrion.” “They married her to Tyrion Lannister.”Catelyn’s fingers clutched at his. “The Imp.”“Yes.”“He swore to trade her for his brother,” she said numbly. “Sansa and Arya both. We would have them back if we returned his precious Jaime, he swore it before the whole court. How could he marry her, after saying that in sight of gods and men?”“He’s the Kingslayer’s brother. Oathbreaking runs in their blood.” Robb’s fingers brushed the pommel of his sword. “If I could I’d take his ugly head off. Sansa would be a widow then, and free. There’s no other way that I can see. They made her speak the vows before a septon and don a crimson cloak.” Here the thing gets tricky. It is up to the Lord Stark to give Sansa’s hand but since Lord Stark is an enemy of the crown and an attainted traitor, Sansa is the king’s ward and he king can give her hand to whoever he likes. Legally speaking, does it matter had Sansa been a woman grown? I think yes. In that case, just like Alys, she would have the right to marry whoever she likes. In short, Sansa’s marriage to Tyrion is completely legal from Lannister POV. However, the Stark POV does not recognize Joffrey as the rightful king. For them, this marriage is invalid. But it can only be declared invalid if they overthrow the Lannisters. This is the same problem we see in conflicting claims in times of crisis. The winner is always declared to be the rightful side and the losers are called traitors. Speaking of Tyrion, was his marriage to Tysha lawful? I don’t think so because Lord Tywin never gave his consent and Tyrion was not a man grown at that time. This also brings up another question. I too believe that Lyanna and Rhaegar were married in front of a heart tree and/or by a wandering septon. If Aerys gave his consent to Rhaegar in marrying Lyanna, there is no problem for him. But if Rhaegar married Lyanna without his leave/knowledge, then the question is, did Rhaegar have the right to marry whoever he liked as a man grown? Same goes for Lyanna. I am 99.9% sure that Rickard never gave his consent to Lyanna in regards to marrying Rhaegar but she was a woman grown by that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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