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A woman can be tortured with the same methods as a man. Even as fed up as she was in that time, she wouldn't outright ask for the rape of any woman; that was your implication.

Yeah, I'm not sure how "torturing women" automatically means rape. Neither Shavepate nor Dany mentioned rape as a part of his interrogation technique.

Why not assume the same when he or someone else is torturing men? It's not like men can't be raped.

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Why are people so unwilling to distinguish between a deliberate scorched-earth campaign of rape, pillage and destruction and these happening as a collateral damage in a war?

He "payed the Lannisters back in kind". He didn't "try to minimalize smallfolk casualities while pursuing his campain in the west whilst unfortunately, Rickard Karstark and Roose Bolton, the only two Northenerscapable of such crimes, were paying the Lannisters back in kind".

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I think some people have a Sansa like naiveté when it comes to Robb's campaign in the Westerlands. Did we not forget that Jamie and Brienne came across an atrocity commitetd by Stark men in the Riverlands? Why do you think GRRM included that scene in the book? What tdo people really think paying Tywin back in kind for the devastation he caued really means?

Agreed.

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He "payed the Lannisters back in kind". He didn't "try to minimalize smallfolk casualities while pursuing his campain in the west whilst unfortunately, Rickard Karstark and Roose Bolton, the only two Northenerscapable of such crimes, were paying the Lannisters back in kind".

And you are taking one quote out of many to suit your argument. Nobody says the west didn't suffer or it was wrong but the difference between the two campaigns as described is huge. Robb did not target peasants. Unless there's something else to back it up

For Robb- description of his campaign in the west

treatment of the Crag

his mother saying he's not a beast

Robb's general personality

Against robb- that quote

Tywin targeted civilians and sacked towns and castles. Robb stormed castles and targeted mines mostly (and yes there were raids and yes it was wrong). Tywin played to Edmure's weakness (shown over and over again to be his caring heart) and robb did the same to Tywin (gold and prestige)

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Thing is everyone knew Tywin couldn't care less about his subjects being killed and tortured. He was a completely heartless scumbag and everyone knew it. He won't rush back to defend his smallfolk even if thousands of them are being tortured. So on a purely pragmatic and strategic level it doesn't make military sense for Robb's army to engage in such a campaign of terror.


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Thing is everyone knew Tywin couldn't care less about his subjects being killed and tortured. He was a completely heartless scumbag and everyone knew it. He won't rush back to defend his smallfolk even if thousands of them are being tortured. So on a purely pragmatic and strategic level it doesn't make military sense for Robb's army to engage in such a campaign of terror.

Turns out there are some advantages to having a heartless scumbag for a lord then.

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