LordStoneheart Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Word of God said it was a generous gift. Stannis looked the gift stag in the mouth. Reminds me Dudley Dursley's spoiled brat-ness. EDIT: My new image of Stannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Didn't Cersei very clearly say it was meant as a slight? It makes sense, while the original job is already done, there is no need for him to continue ruling Dragonstone and its meager incomes while Renly gets to party down at SE. Very much an insult. Cersei the Idiot who sees everything as a slight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Dragonstone and their lords of the Narrow Sea is much more of a reward than what either of Eddard and Jaime got. I was thinking Warden of the East and Hand of the King, both were highly honourable and prized positions, not naming Stannis the latter was smart though, since his rule would be harsher than Robert would want. I meant that the basic premise of Robert was basically, "tough job, call Stannis". Hold Storms End with 500 men Stannis. I could just as easily name Redwyne the naval commander to fight the best navy in Westeros to placate the Tyrells but I am telling you to do it Stannis. subdue Great Wyk, the largest of the Iron Islands for me Stannis, I could get Randyll Tarly to do it, to help placate the Tyrells and he's a good enough soldier, once defeating me. Subdue and rule the Targaryen loyal fortress of Dragonstone for me Stannis. It was a job first and foremost, but it was a job that carried a rich reward, Eddard, Jaime and Renly by comparison haven't done nearly as much, in Renly's case nothing and Jaime... looked good in golden armour? And Robert is chucking things at them. As I said, I think its quite nice that he trusts him in a way, but I think Stannis would've liked to have ruled his home instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Word of God said it was a generous gift. Stannis looked the gift stag in the mouth. Reminds me Dudley Dursley's spoiled brat-ness. It's a spectacular gift, again, for anyone who isn't the Lord of the Stormlands *adopts Stannis voice* BY RIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Maybe Robert thought Renly would be better at being a "Lord Paramount" type (as in, the Lords of the Storm Lands look to the owner of Storms end for leadership), as Renly seems to have better people skills. Stannis presumes a person should follow him, because he would follow them if he was in their shoes. But life often doesn't work like that. Sure, you sometimes get a Davos or Ned, but the majority I think go whichever way the wind blows, and in order to keep people like that happy you need a guy whos good at blowing a lot of hot air. Stannis is good at getting shit done, but sometimes making sure the mail ariives everyday isn't enough for people. Well, Renly was a child then. I think Dragonstone is an insult but it's the kind which isn't immediately apparent and not so much one which would start a war. It's the equivalent of Ned Stark giving Jon Snow Winterfell and Rob Stark lordship of Moat Cailin. Moat Caliin is a pretty awesome place but it's not Winterfell and everyone knows what giving Jon Snow Winterfell implies given it is the traditional seat of Stark power. Dragonstone is also far removed from the Stormlands and thus, effectively destroys any chance Stannis could press his rights by force. Yet, it LOOKS generous enough Stannis can't really object either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I think what makes Stannis even more upset Robert's decision is the fact that Dragonstone didn't have the men and resources he needed to wage war on the Lannisters (and Renly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 That is a pretty crazy idea, but I don't think there is enough time to write that in and I don't see either of the Stark kids going for it. Interesting, though. Well, Renly was a child then. I think Dragonstone is an insult but it's the kind which isn't immediately apparent and not so much one which would start a war. It's the equivalent of Ned Stark giving Jon Snow Winterfell and Rob Stark lordship of Moat Cailin. Moat Caliin is a pretty awesome place but it's not Winterfell and everyone knows what giving Jon Snow Winterfell implies given it is the traditional seat of Stark power. Dragonstone is also far removed from the Stormlands and thus, effectively destroys any chance Stannis could press his rights by force. Yet, it LOOKS generous enough Stannis can't really object either.Except Robb would be the rightful lord of winterfell and stannis wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The silver dragon Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Except Robb would be the rightful lord of winterfell and stannis wasn't. Robert abdecated storm's end. before any son's were born. by inheritance law the second he did that it went to stannis not renly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Robert abdecated storm's end. before any son's were born. by inheritance law the second he did that it went to stannis not renly.He didn't "abdicate" he merely invested the Lordship of Storm's End in Renly. It's not a matter of inheritance, it's matter of Robert granting it to whomever he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Robert abdecated storm's end. before any son's were born. by inheritance law the second he did that it went to stannis not renly.Robert abdecated storm's end. before any son's were born. by inheritance law the second he did that it went to stannis not renly.Not quite. He gave it to renly. As the lord of the storm lands it was his choice. Stannis was made one of the most powerful lords in westeros when he'd normally just be a sworn sword in roberts service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Robert abdecated storm's end. before any son's were born. by inheritance law the second he did that it went to stannis not renly. No, inheritance didn't even come into it. King Robert gave Storm's End to the bannerman of his arbitrary choosing. Just like Aegon the Conqueror had done with Storm's End, and Highgarden, an Harrenhal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Not quite. He gave it to renly. As the lord of the storm lands it was his choice. Stannis was made one of the most powerful lords in westeros when he'd normally just be a sworn sword in roberts service.Actually The Lord of The Storm Lands has more bannermen and vassals. Which means more tax money, more soldiers and over all more power. The Lord of Dragon Stone only has a hand full of men in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Actually The Lord of The Storm Lands has more bannermen and vassals. Which means more tax money, more soldiers and over all more power. The Lord of Dragon Stone only has a hand full of men in comparison.It's still a very powerful lordship. Just because Renly was granted a greater title doesn't mean that Stannis didn't receive a huge advancement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthetic CDO Love Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I think Stannis would have happily given up any desire for Storms End had Robert simply told him he was grateful for Stannis's loyalty and service, and that he needed Stannis in Dragonstone for whatever reason. So make sure you tell your family you love them this holiday season, otherwise you might end up this kind of mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The silver dragon Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 No, inheritance didn't even come into it. King Robert gave Storm's End to the bannerman of his arbitrary choosing. Just like Aegon the Conqueror had done with Storm's End, and Highgarden, an Harrenhal. then it's an insult. the reason aegon gave those land's to other people was because. the people who had previously held it were traitors and were against his rule. stannis was more loyal in holding that castle then 99% of people i know would be willing to go to. passing some over in inheritance is a big insult big enough to go to war over. the only time doing something like that was reasonable was when said person was a traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Robert was still Lord of Storm's End when he was king. There is literally nothing to say he abdicated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsf45ds Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Powerful based on what? A bunch of minor lords with no income and a tiny island fortress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Actually The Lord of The Storm Lands has more bannermen and vassals. Which means more tax money, more soldiers and over all more power. The Lord of Dragon Stone only has a hand full of men in comparison.I didn't say that it made him more powerful than renly, although it should be noted that he also had the royal fleet. It still made him one of the most powerful lords in westeros when he'd normally just be a sworn sword in Roberts service. 5000 men, a massive fleet and a position on the small council, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I didn't say that it made him more powerful than renly, although it should be noted that he also had the royal fleet. It still made him one of the most powerful lords in westeros when he'd normally just be a sworn sword in Roberts service. 5000 men, a massive fleet and a position on the small council,So what exactly did Renly do to earn the richer prize? We already know Stannis played a big role in both Roberts Rebellion and The Iron Born Rebellion. What exactly did Renly do in comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 So what exactly did Renly do to earn the richer prize? We already know Stannis played a big role in both Roberts Rebellion and The Iron Born Rebellion. What exactly did Renly do in comparison?He was given land for the same reason stannis was... He was Roberts brother. Stannis got more than he normally would and should be grateful. Notably, the stormlands are greater than the crownlands too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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