bloodsteel bitterraven Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Really. You think the limit for weird sex in ASOIAF is this.Cause incest and beastiality (did i spell that right, not googling incase pictures come up) didn't make the cut for GRRM. bestiality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Thanks for the quote Lost Melnibonian. It's been a while, and it's an interesting passage. Setting aside the jojenpaste theory, it's interesting that the taste of the seed paste parallels the taste of shade of the evening. At first, the taste is disgusting, but then it becomes a melange of flavors, including honey and tastes associated with fond memories. In Bran's case, it's honey, cinnamon, etc., and his mother's last kiss. In Dany's case (with the shade of the evening), it's honey, anise, cream, and "Drogo's seed." The experiences are remarkably similar. I've noted what I think are three subtle hints in Clash and Storm of what's to come. When Jon and Qhorin were running from Rattleshirt they mixed horse blood in their oates and Jon gaged on it. Arya thought of the taste of blood--completely out of context--when she entered the weirwood cave of the BWB. And Jon gaged when Aemon gave him milk of the poppy that mingled with blood in his mouth from biting his lip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegane'sPup Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Really. You think the limit for weird sex in ASOIAF is this.Cause incest and bestiality didn't make the cut for GRRM.Edit - spelling Perhaps I did not make myself clear. Jojen paste is :bs:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother of Dragons Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 it's 100% true. he sense his doom, he goes missing, bran is fed a bowl of mush with veins in it by people who practice blood sacrifice. cheerios it ain't.Your perception isn't 100% proof, but I agree, it wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambraigne Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Perhaps I did not make myself clear. Jojen paste is :bs:. Oh, well when you use an emoticon to say it, it's hard to argue with the mountain of textual evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallam Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 You have it all wrong. Bran is eating Lemon Cakes. The real scandal is what Sansa is actually eating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis in the middle Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Jojen paste is real. seriously. its obviously real. read the frigging clues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegane'sPup Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Oh, well when you use an emoticon to say it, it's hard to argue with the mountain of textual evidence. The name of this topic is "Does Anyone Believe Jojenpaste." I gave my response. BUT, if you insist. Just because some sickly kid is MIA and Bran describes the paste as having red streaks, tastes bitter and tastes better with each bite proves nuttin'. You are welcome to beleive. I do not. :kiss: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummester Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Bloodraven and his tree have to have been subsisting on something and there are bones all around - they were living on blood long before Bran got there. Yes, I believe in Jojen paste - Jojen knew his purpose was to sacrifice himself for Bran to become a more powerful Greenseer and warg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ser Septon Maester Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 You have it all wrong. Bran is eating Lemon Cakes. The real scandal is what Sansa is actually eating.Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ser Septon Maester Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 You have it all wrong. Bran is eating Lemon Cakes. The real scandal is what Sansa is actually eating.You've convinced me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I don't believe in this theory. The quote below seems to imply that Jojen's fate (death) lies "at home" and not in the cave. "He wants to go home," Meera told Bran. "He will not even try and fight his fate. He says the greendreams do not lie." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Jojen has seen in his green dreams that he is going to lose his life when he returns to Greywater Watch....hence why he is so depressed in the cave. The books specifically state this. This entire Jojen paste theory is driven by the show....it's completely debunked in the books by Jojen still being alive and him seeing his death already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I believed it 100% when I read it. It's brutal, yes, but it also makes sense and makes the whole chapter way more interesting.Then there was this huge backlash to it and I started doubting it a little bit, so I'm not 100% sure, but I still think it's very likely. Though I guess it may be one of those things that will never be fully answered. Jojen would have to be declared missing or dead after that, but even so it will always be possible for people to deny jojenpaste.Just like A+J=T. Even if it's true, Martin can just place some clues, make Tyrion ride a dragon and never give a definitive answer. People would be discussing the matter for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Abstract Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I don't believe in this theory. The quote below seems to imply that Jojen's fate (death) lies "at home" and not in the cave. "He wants to go home," Meera told Bran. "He will not even try and fight his fate. He says the greendreams do not lie." I think he desires to go home to escape his fate, but he will not do so. He has accepted it. I don't think this contradicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoracchius Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I think he desires to go home to escape his fate, but he will not do so. He has accepted it. I don't think this contradicts. :agree: Jojen, a character who previously alluded to having seen his own death in a greendream, is presented as despondent and resigned to his fate in the chapter because "his greendreams do not lie," then Bran eats something similar to blood, then Jojen is gone and his sister is crying. I don't see why this theory is considered crackpot or why it's supporters are accused of trolling. It seems perfectly plausible, though obviously it has not been confirmed. All the more reason to be excited for The Winds of Winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night's Princess Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I don't believe it but don't necessarily disbelieve it either. Mostly it's just rather amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I think he desires to go home to escape his fate, but he will not do so. He has accepted it. I don't think this contradicts. My interpretation of that quote is that going home = accepting his fate, not escaping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I don't believe in this theory. The quote below seems to imply that Jojen's fate (death) lies "at home" and not in the cave. "He wants to go home," Meera told Bran. "He will not even try and fight his fate. He says the greendreams do not lie."Nope. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that the pause, no doubt an emotional one where Meera had to choke back her dismay, was an implied "but," so the statement can be read as, "He wants to go home, but he will not even try and fight his fate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Nope. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that the pause, no doubt an emotional one where Meera had to choke back her dismay, was an implied "but," so the statement can be read as, "He wants to go home, but he will not even try and fight his fate." You can go ahead and make whatever assumption that suits your stance. In my view, the natural reading of that quote implies that going home = accepting his fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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