Rant and Rave Without Repercussion 2 (Book Spoilers)

[JonCon's Red Beard]

There are only two kingsguards, Larry and Meryn, so Qyburn was thinking that someone has to actually protect the king?

There are more KG. We saw them during Joffrey's wedding.

And the one who parted with Original Myrcella to Dorne. Either he was absorbed by bad pussy or he and Myrcella drowned and the crew could only find some a blond girl to replace her.

[bloodsteel bitterraven]

Like so much else, they're sooo inconsistent. QOT looks like she came out of the 11th century, Marg Boleyn looks like a stripper, both of them from Highgarden. Cersei and Sansa's clothes I like, minus the dress and necklace from PROP HELL. Cat's 1? dress was kinda ugly. Cinderella's dress is totally out of place, the Sand Snakes outfits, brutal. I like the tokars, Danys stuff is sort of looney but I like it. A better designer could have helped with people being able to tell all the brown haired white men apart though, giving Roose and Stannis outfits something unique would have been really good idea. Everything about the House of Black and White is atrocious, set, costumes, all of it.

Well they will be changing costume designers next year. I don't know if she was fired or if she quit but she was interviewed by WOTW and she said the Dany double in the brothel with the hole in the back of her dress was her idea and she was so proud of it. Even D&D were shocked. Good riddance.

[Lady Blackmont]

All of that money went to sending Stannis and Davos to Braavos. Because that was totally necessary. Maybe the Iron Bank will borrow batfingers teleporter and save Stannis right before Brienne strikes. Oh right, Stannis is dead, just not on screen because that would be gratuitous.

[Blood of the Trout]

You know I had read the iZombie comic books (only the first two volumes because life got in the way) and I was excited about the tv show. The tv show was entirely different than the books (like every single detail) but it didn't bother me one bit because at least they were honest about it. Game of Thrones began as a faithful adaptation and it turned into fan fiction because "wouldn't it be awesome if Sansa went to Winterfell or if we introduced this kid named Olly or if Tyene says bad pussy?"

I feel cheated.

[R4W13Y]

Here, at 3:45:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHGNoMjHn8

But the thing is, we're not sure Myrcella is dead, are we?

David Nutter confirmed it, along with Stannis. And Theon/Sansa survive.

Alex Graves claimed that on the E10 commentary. He said Tyrion "knew the secret passages" because he grew up in King's Landing.

Oh lord, that's just...that's just stupid.

I think we have figured ONE THING OUT.......Jaqen IS the entirety of The Faceless Men. Well, him and all the little girls he can round up? Oh gods, I should shut up, he'll be the next Insta-Pedo. :leaving: :bang:

Hahaha he and the waif are clearly the only ones there :dunno: This is another example of how small their world feels.

Dillane is one of those actors who has usurped his bookcounterpart's appearance for me. When I read Stannis, I really do picture him in my mind. Not many actors have been able to do that. Of the top of my head, Iain Glenn, Harry Lloyd, Jerome Flynn, Ian McElhinney, Charles Dance, Owen Teale, James Cosmo, Jason Momoa, Sean Bean, Rory McCann and Francis Magee. Dillane, alongside Charles Dance was definitely the best actor on this show. For shame how they treated him, for shame I say!

Completely agree with all you've listed. I also picture Rose Leslie as Ygritte, not because she was spectacular in the role (except for the Windmill scene in Season 3 that GRRM wrote) but I thought her looks were pretty spot on.

LLLLLOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYDDDDDD!

*heavy breathing*

:lol: agreed

[HexMachina]

Like so much else, they're sooo inconsistent. QOT looks like she came out of the 11th century, Marg Boleyn looks like a stripper, both of them from Highgarden. Cersei and Sansa's clothes I like, minus the dress and necklace from PROP HELL. Cat's 1? dress was kinda ugly. Cinderella's dress is totally out of place, the Sand Snakes outfits, brutal. I like the tokars, Danys stuff is sort of looney but I like it. A better designer could have helped with people being able to tell all the brown haired white men apart though, giving Roose and Stannis outfits something unique would have been really good idea. Everything about the House of Black and White is atrocious, set, costumes, all of it.

Ugh, the Queen of Thorns looks like a fucking septa in her outfit.

Small point about our Saviour in Meereen. The High Valyrian thing, where he said: "My High Valyrian is not very potato" or something like that. Did anyone else pick up on this tired and lousy "comedy" that is used to death whenever comedy characters are speaking another language?

[JonCon's Red Beard]

Ugh, the Queen of Thorns looks like a fucking septa in her outfit.

Small point about our Saviour in Meereen. The High Valyrian thing, where he said: "My High Valyrian is not very potato" or something like that. Did anyone else pick up on this tired and lousy "comedy" that is used to death whenever comedy characters are speaking another language?

They did it well with Drogo and Dany. Also, when Missandei was trying to teach Dany Dothraki and she was all "but Drogo said it was ok!".

[WildBlood]

There are more KG. We saw them during Joffrey's wedding.

And the one who parted with Original Myrcella to Dorne. Either he was absorbed by bad pussy or he and Myrcella drowned and the crew could only find some a blond girl to replace her.

Yep so Robert Strong makes 9. God Damn ding and dong :ack: :stillsick:

[Veltigar]

how the hell does qyburn appoint KG? Especially since pre-Trant death, all KG are accounted for?

“Creatively it made sense to us, because we wanted it to happen." David Benioff

Hahaha Jaqen's fate on the show is even more certain than Jon's. He will never die, that's 100% true. If he does, another will take his place moments later.

It's clear what their inspiration was

[JonCon's Red Beard]

ahhh... I miss funny Dany.

"I need an iron booty to rule this thing!... wait... no... I was joking :( "

I'm gonna look like a rattle with this thing!!"

[Lady Blackmont]

I don't get Kit Harrington's interview where he says Jon is dead at all.

[William Campbell]

The reason they killed Stannis off-screen was not because it would be too gratuitous, it was because they didn't want to show Brienne execute a broken surrendering man. The viewers might not like Brienne much had her revenge arc ended visually that way. Remember Brienne is a "Good Guy" and Stannis was a "Bad Guy." And since D&D had already completely destroyed Stannis's character and was utterly defeated, there was no need to show Brienne actually killing him. I guess they could have shown Stannis fighting Brienne to the death, but there was no point for Stannis to continue. D&D had already killed him basically. The director was just misinterpreting the show again.

[Stannis is the man....nis]

Probably the one of if not the biggest mistake this season made was cutting the North out of the Battle of Ice. First without the Umbers or the Manderly there to be pissed at the Boltens then what was Sansa suppose to do in WF to get revenge? Second, how does "The North remember" if they aren't going to aid Stannis in destroying thew men who stabbed their beloved King in the back it just makes the North look stupid? An thrid, it made Stannis look moronic for marching into the North without no local help to tell him about the terrain

[Follmann]

Yep so Robert Strong makes 9. God Damn ding and dong :ack: :stillsick:

I'll sadly have to defend them on that.

Barristan was relieved, and the Hound joined.

At Blackwater, Mandon Moore was killed by Pod and the Hound left. So, 2 positions open.

Since Loras never joined, we can assume they had at least a spot for Robert Strong.

[Cas Stark]

There are more KG. We saw them during Joffrey's wedding.

And the one who parted with Original Myrcella to Dorne. Either he was absorbed by bad pussy or he and Myrcella drowned and the crew could only find some a blond girl to replace her.

I bet you're right. Bad pussy got him. Might be more dangerous than greyscale.

[LadySoftheart]

I'm convinced NCW said something someone didn't like so they gave him a really crappy season.

He talked about how much he liked working with Gwendoline Christie and the awesome Jaime/Brienne storyline so obviously they didn't like that because it smacks of book reading and snobbery. How could anyone ever stop loving Carol anyway? ;) And mark my words, he will only leave her side when she sends him away for being a fuckup who got her daughter killed and everyone will say that it's just like the books because Cersei sent Jaime away (except in the books he was refusing to sleep with her and questioning her decisions and she was paranoid and distrustful of everyone.)

[Veltigar]

Aye, Harry Lloyd was perfect. Handled the Portrayal of Viserys brilliantly, his final scene was excellent.

Also, best. Sexposition. Ever. :P (seriously, I thought that scene was great. We had this discussion in another iteration of this thread.)

I really liked the actress's looks so I'll agree with that one :p

Craster didn't approve of gays, Craster was mormonish.

Hoo please, self-respecting gays would have steered clear from Craster's Dornish compound. I mean, have you seen the rags his beloved daughters had to wear? That's like 100% foolproof gay repellant right there. ShowLoras would probably have killed himself rather than having to spend time with Craster and his wives.

[queenmarg]

Probably the one of if not the biggest mistake this season made was cutting the North out of the Battle of Ice. First without the Umbers or the Manderly there to be pissed at the Boltens then what was Sansa suppose to do in WF to get revenge? Second, how does "The North remember" if they aren't going to aid Stannis in destroying thew men who stabbed their beloved King in the back it just makes the North look stupid? An thrid, it made Stannis look moronic for marching into the North without no local help to tell him about the terrain

1) Sansa wasn't there to get revenge. Sansa was there to get raped by Ramsay

2) These two Northern servants remember. Roose wants to marry Sansa to Ramsay to get their support because he is tired of folding his own bedsheets, never mind he is rebelling against the crown by doing that

3) Stannis already looks moronic with his camp not noticing a) Ramsay and the Twenty igniting it, b) his queen hanging herself, c) that half of the army left with all the horses

[R4W13Y]

Quoting myself (humour me for a moment). Kind of strange how all these actors were there in season one. Dillane (and also Pedro Pascal) are the only actors they introduced later on that were in any way impressive.

He singlehandedly made me rethink Viserys. One of the greatest triumphs of this show imo. Whenever I rewatch his death scene, I really feel the emotion overwhelming me :)

Same. Viserys is legitimately one of my favorite characters now because of him. I was actually really emotional about his death in the show, especially his pathetic smile when he says "well that's all I wanted" after Drogo says he will give him a crown. He really did an excellent job.

Watching Bri in the final I realized that since Larry and Bri stopped traveling together, I've come to dislike Bri quite a bit. And that makes me sad, I don't want to see Brienne!Smash anymore, I want to see Brienne of Tarth again. :frown5:

I miss her too :(

I question if we're going to see the Jamie/Brienne thing in the show.

I don't see how Jamie gets back. Cersei is now vulnerable and humiliated and Mycella dead, another failure of Larry's. Will he turn asshole and reject tiger mom at her lowest point? After public humiliation and death of 2/3 children? That doesn't seem too redemptive? I fear Larry is here to stay.

Either they keep him Larry or...as David Nutter suggested (and this is super super dumb so prepare yourself): Larry wants to keep Trystane safe but Carol wants to hurt him as revenge for Myrcella. That's when they finally are done.

Rant (for the season) as now the season is over and so are our hopes that the plotlines had some point to them. The only one I liked was Arya's training, and I won't even talk about Stannis... I was wondering if my book bias was coloring my assessment too much and I also asked my unsullied boyfriend and he thought the season was pretty unmemorable...

Sansa/Theon/LF

There's no doubt that Sansa fans like yours truly are upset with her arc. A lot of people have explained that due to the budget restrictions, they decided to merge Sansa and Jeyne Poole's arc, instead of introducing a new location and new sets of actors to have Sansa in the Vale. However, I feel like Sansa in WF could have been handled better, or I wouldn't mind if they put her on the backburner like they did with Bran and Rickon and had her return in season 6 and introduce the Vale, which should come into the fold at some point in ASOIAF. Instead, in shoving Sansa in WF, they had so many characters bend over backwards in stupidity

• Sansa agrees to leave the comforts of the Vale, where she was respected for being a Stark, and trade it for the plan of entering the belly of the beast with no plans, and once there, continues to make no plans but instead openly offends her captors
• LF hands the "key to the North" to supposedly justify gathering the troops of the Vale against the left over troops of the Stannis x Bolton conflict, when (1) a rumor of a Bolton x Sansa marriage would have been enough to obtain Cersei's support, (2) the troops of the Vale have no reason to fight for him
• Roose somehow forgets he's rebelling against his Lannister supporters by marrying his son to Cersei's second most wanted, and doesn't seem to stand to gain anything from the marriage as Ramsay is doing just fine flaying dissenters and the show didn't bother with Stark loyalists

They also removed the aura of political intrigue of ASOIAF, not only by removing all the material in WF, but also by having Sansa traveling around, being recognized by Brienne and not having any of the political espionage of the earlier seasons. And I am still baffled by what they liked so much about Jeyne's storyline when they removed all of the politicking, rebellion, even the meaningful scenes with Theon's redemption. Was it really just the rape? Where will they go with post-rape Sansa? Or is she going to be like Gilly, where the consequences of rape/near-rape are forgotten in the next scene?

Jaime/Martells

I wasn't a big fan of Dorne in the books, but the arc in showDorne was so laughable. Again, the characters suffer from a big case of the dumbies. First with Jaime thinking that he can just sneak in Dorne and take the prince Trystane's betrothed so easily... and who knew? It almost works because Trystane has no guards! Why didn't Robb think of that? Just sneak in KL and take his sister back and hope no Xena warriors with questionable fighting skills are there to stop him. Then comes Doran, who decides to hand off Trystane, his apparent only heir, to the Lannisters with no guarantee of his safety and Ellaria, who also gives no fucks about Trystane and decides she will poison Myrcella while her nephew is within enemy clutches. Trystane is very much a teenager who thinks that the appropriate way to deal with Bronn threatening his life is to punch him in the face for the LULz and Doran thinks is a good idea to send him to sit on the small council? Also, Myrcella suddenly knows Jaime is her father and is cool with it because their scene needed to be more "touching." That was supposed to be the big payoff of the Dorne plotline; they strip the cultural differences that make Dorne unique and remove the motivations behind the Martell characters, unless their motivations are revenge and handing off only heirs to become political prisoners. Also, they don't hurt little girls in Dorne...

Cersei/HS/Tyrells

Again they cut off characters without thinking of the consequences. Without Willas and Garlan, Loras is the heir to Highgarden and Olenna is a-okay with he staying in King's Landing, fucking around and having awkward conversations with Cersei, because who needs to groom their only heir for ruling, amirite? Marg adopted season 5 Sansa's strategy to throw all the sass around because of reasons and that comes to bite her back because Loras' having a birthmark that is questionably resembling of Dorne is enough proof to imprison the Queen under the premise that she did walk in Loras and Olyvar. Meanwhile Olenna's secret weapon to deal with this is terribly shortsighted, as accusations of the legitimacy of Cersei's children would ultimately undermine Marg's queenhood

Tyrion/Dany

Once again we get to sing praises to St Tyrion and deprive him of any moral grayness; his rock bottom is not raping a sex slave knowing full well it is wrong, but refusing free sex when it is offered by aforementioned. He doesn't just get to be clever, discussing all these abstract ideas about cultural relativism with his boys Hizzy and Daario, while Dany looks on with her deadpan, he also gets to beat up slavers and rescue Missandei from the SotH while Dany's incompetent Unsullied guards are murdered left and right. Barry dies an undignified death so that Tyrion can come in and rescue the Meerenese mess that Dany has made. Hizdhar is offed to give way to Tyrion's rule. Also, do the producers not like Dany any more? Is it because Emilia Clarke won't show her tits? She's had so many badass moments that the writers love to film, but her most BAMF moment, in Daznak's pit is stripped off its coolness and devolves into Drogon protects his mommy. The SotH aren't explained, and next are seen killing slaves and nobles alike. It's okay because I am sure St Tyrion will dream up a lovely scheme that was just beyond Dany and all her advisors' intellect to deal with problems in Meereen, and the Meereenese will listen because for some reason they respect Grey Worm? Where's Dany's badassery? Where's her conflict in finding home? Oh, and of course Good Guy Jorah gets to save Dany, maybe he will get a pity lay next season...

Jon/Sam/Night's Watch

Sam is now a bro, maybe he will be next Pod because there's no why a Good Guy like Sam can be a good guy for so long without reaping some benefits... Sam and Gilly's relationship was developing just fine, but instead we get near-rape to precipitate her getting into bed with Sam. Didn't the Tysha story teach D&D that that's not how it happens? Jon comes back from Hardhome with members of NW to vouch for him, and instead of warning his brothers about the urgency of the war to come, he mopes around until ogly-Olly trolls him (and D&D trolls book readers) with the Benjen trap.

Perfect assessment of the entire season :)

I have heard from an inside source that Porne is famous for bad pussy and being permissive of incest. I wonder why Craster didn't relocate to this paradise.

:lol: yet another plothole! Why isn't everyone just heading off to live in Dorne, it truly is a sexual deviant's paradise.

[Equilibrium]

Well, let's talk about this: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/game-of-thrones-finale-cliffhangers

Stannis is definitely dead (no shock there), but as for why we didn't see the death, Director David Nutter said "It would have been gratuitous. You really got a sense that Stannis had nothing else to live for. Brienne’s lifelong mission had come to an end. It’s a situation in which Stannis was ready to die and prepared to die."

:bang:

He is nutter then I thought :D