Prince of the North Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 But he also exposed his entire army to the Boltons on the open field within arrow range instead of remaining covered at the edge of the woods. Digging trenches in the frozen ground? Yes, not decisions any commander would have made let alone one of the greatest on the continent! But, hey, creatively it made sense, because they wanted it to happen :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoo Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 He then proceeded to say, "showing a man losing it all would have shocked our audience. And we don't want them to feel their sensitivities are attacked". lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well, let's talk about this: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/game-of-thrones-finale-cliffhangers Stannis is definitely dead (no shock there), but as for why we didn't see the death, Director David Nutter said "It would have been gratuitous. You really got a sense that Stannis had nothing else to live for. Brienne’s lifelong mission had come to an end. It’s a situation in which Stannis was ready to die and prepared to die." :bang: Brienne's lifelong mission? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasocfan Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well, let's talk about this: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/game-of-thrones-finale-cliffhangers Stannis is definitely dead (no shock there), but as for why we didn't see the death, Director David Nutter said "It would have been gratuitous. You really got a sense that Stannis had nothing else to live for. Brienne’s lifelong mission had come to an end. It’s a situation in which Stannis was ready to die and prepared to die." :bang: :rofl: Seriously? How else can we respond than that? Because this show is so above gratuitous violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Maybe Nutter believes "gratuitous" means something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarCrashFiance Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 He was ordering his men to dig trenches. I think he even says the siege starts tomorrow. He was digging in for a long siege rather than planning an instant attack. They were digging their own graves hoping to die on this show as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astromech Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I was trying to place Brienne and Pod's location in relation to Winterfell during the battle and it didn't seem they couldn't be that close to Winterfell after seeing the overhead shot during the battle. Also how have they avoided detection by the Boltons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Brienne's lifelong mission? LOL. LOL, I missed that... what the fuck?? By next season, they will have Loras mentioning Renly and the director will say "It's obvious that Loras never stopped loved Renly and respected his memory" :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 YEAH!!! *cartwheels around* He then proceeded to say, "showing a man losing it all would have shocked our audience. And we don't want them to feel their sensitivities are attacked". Heh, but showing - in graphic detail - Arya stabbing the eyes out of and torturing Trant before ultimately slitting his throat wouldn't attack anyone's sensitivities, amiright?!! ;) Nope! That's completely ok because we established for the first time, literally, five minutes before that he's a sadistic pedophile so he totes had it coming. In fact, he got off easy :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follmann Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Maybe Nutter believes "gratuitous" means something else. Like having a pregnant woman repeatedly stabbed on the stomach. They would never do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpenglowMemories Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 So, what's the count up to now? Jon is looking for a father figure. Sam didn't have POV. Brienne's mission has been finding and killing Stannis. Tyrion grew up at King's Landing. Stannis is all about ambition. Needle is symbolic of Arya's thirst for revenge. Dany's smart 'cause she drops a tiny ring in the middle of a huge grassy plain. What is wrong with them? :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astromech Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Heh, but showing - in graphic detail - Arya stabbing the eyes out of and torturing Trant before ultimate slitting his throat wouldn't attack anyone's sensitivities, amiright?!! ;) Nope! That's completely ok because we established, literally, five minutes before that he's a sadistic pedophile so he totes had it coming. In fact, he got off easy :rolleyes: I was laughing at the scene on a second viewing. Meryn's Kingsguard helmet was just laying atop the table. I didn't see any other piece of his armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Heh, but showing - in graphic detail - Arya stabbing the eyes out of and torturing Trant before ultimately slitting his throat wouldn't attack anyone's sensitivities, amiright?!! ;) Nope! That's completely ok because we established for the first time, literally, five minutes before that he's a sadistic pedophile so he totes had it coming. In fact, he got off easy :rolleyes: Clearly that was okay to show because Trant had so much to live for still. But a truly broken man...MY EYES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well, let's talk about this: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/game-of-thrones-finale-cliffhangers Stannis is definitely dead (no shock there), but as for why we didn't see the death, Director David Nutter said "It would have been gratuitous. You really got a sense that Stannis had nothing else to live for. Brienne’s lifelong mission had come to an end. It’s a situation in which Stannis was ready to die and prepared to die." :bang: Bloody hell. Someone needs to make a book of these idiot comments they make. This one can join creatively it made sense and themes are for book reports. Anyone think of a good title? An idiots' guide to unintentional humour? How Not to Respond to Interviews? A Game of Groans: The Fandoms Official Compilation of Eye-Rolling Comments? Destroying a Book Series in 80 quotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 So, what's the count up to now? Jon is looking for a father figure. Sam didn't have POV. Brienne's mission has been finding and killing Stannis. Tyrion grew up at King's Landing. Stannis is all about ambition. Needle is symbolic of Arya's thirst for revenge. Dany's smart 'cause she drops a tiny ring in the middle of a huge grassy plain. What is wrong with them? :bang: Sansa trusts Littlefinger. Stannis and Mel burn people back in Season 2 when we first meet them. Cersei is Tywin's intellectual equal. Jaime is a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I was laughing at the scene on a second viewing. Meryn's Kingsguard helmet was just laying atop the table. I didn't see any other piece of his armor. Yeah, who needs details when they have so many plot points to check off the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Clearly that was okay to show because Trant had so much to live for still. But a truly broken man...MY EYES! Oh my god, my feels! My feels! It burns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodsteel bitterraven Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I was trying to find a thread to post my comments on what really bothered me about Dorne and I'm glad this thread has been re-opened. When they announced they were only casting Doran, Areo and 3 of the Sand Snakes, I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I thought, maybe Arianne dies early in TWoW and her story doesn't matter. And I thought that maybe they were planning ahead for the future. The 3 Sand Snakes that appear on the show are all sent on a different mission at the end of ADwD. So I thought that maybe they have a more important role in the 6th book and that's why they were cast.But none of them actually go on a mission on the show!!!! So why are they on the show? They barely have a role or any lines in season 5 (other than "bad pussy" and "slut") so what was the point?I'm just so confused by the pointlessness of this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Cornered_Wolf Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 On Stannis: Apparently the rules of your universe don't apply (no short term karmic justice) when it is a character you don't like. This is the definition of fan-fiction, when characters and events are warped to the whim of the fic writer. If that doesn't describe how Stannis was treated by D&D, I don't know what does since his entire Winterfell arc when in a polar opposite direction to how it went in the books. Throw in the obvious additional religion bashing nod D&D are clearly so fond of, and reason to murder Stannis's character is complete. I'd give them too much credit if I said they did this to try and throw off book readers and make them think they'd really kill Jon. On Sansa: I won't lie. I accepted the merging of Sansa's plotline, because I thought it was necessary for story economy. I didn't like Sansa being made into a victim again, but I thought they had the potential to make a powerful child abuse allegory, where the abused can't find the strength to defy an abuser for themselves, but does for a sibling (either Sansa or Theon as the one finding the courage). Instead, we got more of what amounts to torture porn and this strange sociopath elevation that seems to be a fixation in this show. On Brienne: I guess if you are a D&D favorite your dishonor will be shown in an honorable light. There is not greater pointer to their belief in moral relativism than the "Renly as a the rightful king" line. And look, even Brienne the paragon of honor can't hold the line, guess no one can blame Larry for being the Kingslayer now! On Davos: You just let the Red Witch walk away from you when you don't get an explanation for Stannis and Shireen's death. More like Davin't. On Dany: You are in peril! That's it, the only way you can defend yourself is acting like a hobbit! Great analogue, D&D. The strongest female character in the series reduced to Uruk-hai luggage. Wait, I forgot. She isn't a Lannister, she can't be the strongest female character. On the Wall: Is this a joke? Clearly the Wildlings aren't camped at the wall or there'd be a riot when Jon gets killed, so he believes one magically appears to tell him Benjen... I can't even. I'm surprised they didn't carve a crying weirwood face to go with their traitor sign, since the Watchmen were feeling so symbolic. And apparently, even after Hardhome, JON CAN'T KEEP FUCKING LONGCLAW ON HIM AT ALL TIMES. I wasn't surprised the Ghost of the Wall was missing, though I am that any viewer can find a way to justify it. Shock and Lawl TV at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpenglowMemories Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Sansa trusts Littlefinger. Stannis and Mel burn people back in Season 2 when we first meet them. Cersei is Tywin's intellectual equal. Jaime is a monster. It's good to twist the narrative in contrived and illogical ways because, creatively, you just wanted it to happen. Sansa is making a choice to go to the wedding with Ramsay, she is not a helpless victim as she is being helplessly raped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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