Ken Stone Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 If the police would have been even a little contrite about taking away 18 years of his life it would have went a long way towards restoring my faith in them. Instead, they refused to admit they were wrong about the rape. Just once I wanted to hear them say "Look, we were wrong about that. SA didn't do it and our own bias's led us to convict him wrongly. This has been a learning experience and in the future we will not let our bias's impede our investigations. Even though SA is a complete POS, he didn't deserve that. We are sorry" But no, instead they said "Just because the DNA evidence proved he didn't do it, doesn't mean he didn't do it". Fuck them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, Ken Stone said: If the police would have been even a little contrite about taking away 18 years of his life it would have went a long way towards restoring my faith in them. Instead, they refused to admit they were wrong about the rape. Just once I wanted to hear them say "Look, we were wrong about that. SA didn't do it and our own bias's led us to convict him wrongly. This has been a learning experience and in the future we will not let our bias's impede our investigations. Even though SA is a complete POS, he didn't deserve that. We are sorry" But no, instead they said "Just because the DNA evidence proved he didn't do it, doesn't mean he didn't do it". Fuck them I don't really remember that part of the documentary. But I would agree that their (cops AND prosecutor) attitude about the wrongful conviction has been pretty disgusting. At least from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous Gabe Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Fascinating and rage-inducing documentary. So many terrible people in one series, it's hard to know where to start. Lenk and Colborn are seriously dodgy. Anyone else notice the incessant blinking of Lenk when he was being questioned by the defence? Kachinsky and O'Kelly are just horrible, horrible people. Having been reading the discussion, just to mention on the dubious evidence front that there is supposed to be no way of testing sweat for DNA. The despicable Kratz has somehow got away with continually misleading people by bringing up evidence that is highly questionable and has been either debunked or shown to be dubious. There are so many unanswered questions whirling around my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 The thing I keep coming back to is the bullet and the lack of blood in the area the victum was supposedly massacred in. The cops spent days searching his house and garage right after her death and couldn't find anything, yet found the bullet in 30 minutes when they went back months later. And how did SA clean up every drop of blood, including all the splatter, yet couldn't be bothered to clean up anything else? It just doesn't make sense. I still think SA likely killed her, but to what degree did the cops frame him will always be the unanswerable question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Netflix announced this is coming back for season two. Same case will be the subject, which I did not expect. You'd think they used up all the really interesting stuff the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 whoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Wow. That should give them loads of material for season two, at least. Though I can't help but feel...conflicted. I still think he probably committed the second murder, and now he's free because of Netflix. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, RumHam said: Wow. That should give them loads of material for season two, at least. Though I can't help but feel...conflicted. I still think he probably committed the second murder, and now he's free because of Netflix. Weird. Avery is not free Dassey is, and for reasons that don't apply to Avery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Oooh ok. It's been a while I'd forgotten the names. That's good though, that poor kid got fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Very interesting. Shows you what a good documentary can do. Avery's lawyers can probably use this to get a retrial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 We had already seen at the end of the documentary that a group was helping Dassey with his case and trying to get his conviction overturned for these exact reasons, so I doubt the doc had anything to do with this. I do wonder how this works with Avery's trial since so much rested on Brandon's 'confession'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Sure we saw that they were already pursuing this route, but the widespread popularity of the documentary certainly helped the kid's cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said: Sure we saw that they were already pursuing this route, but the widespread popularity of the documentary certainly helped the kid's cause. Perhaps financially. Unless you're suggesting that the judge was unethical and was moved by the drama of a Netflix doc rather than the evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: Perhaps financially. Unless you're suggesting that the judge was unethical and was moved by the drama of a Netflix doc rather than the evidence? Not the drama, the spotlight it put on the case. That has a psychological effect, even if it's just subconscious. And I'm sure it helped the defense fund's revenue via increased donations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Dassey was always the one I felt bad for. His parts of the doc were infuriating. What his lawyer and his expert did was horrible. Good for him. He's still young enough he can start over and make a new life for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said: Very interesting. Shows you what a good documentary can do. Avery's lawyers can probably use this to get a retrial. been a while since I saw the documentary, but I thought they explicitly did not put his confession into Avery's trial, basically for this exact reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted August 13, 2016 Author Share Posted August 13, 2016 Yea I think it was a bullshit 'have your cake and eat it too' thing; it was too crucial for Dassey's case so it got admitted, but it was too flimsy for Avery's so it got dismissed from that case. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 On 8/12/2016 at 5:38 PM, Swordfish said: been a while since I saw the documentary, but I thought they explicitly did not put his confession into Avery's trial, basically for this exact reason? Same here, but iirc, they used his confession as part of the justification to charge Avery. I don't think his confession was formally introduced in court, but it was referenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagewich Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I am glad Brandon is out, but I understood they were going to retry him. I still believe Avery did not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 The thing that gives me pause about the whole thing is the 15 (at the time) year old cousin(?), who came forward to ...someone... to basically snitch on Brandon and say that he had incriminated himself to her. What was that about? As far as I could tell when she was on the witness stand she recanted her prior statements about what Brandon confessed to her, but I could not fathom her motivation for making up such an awful lie about her cousin in the first place. So that makes me wonder if Brandon did really confess to her. The other thing is, who the hell killed Teresa Halbach? I would find it extremely difficult to believe the Manitowoc police / DA's office would kill her in order to frame Avery. I certainly can believe them manufacturing evidence to frame Avery. I can believe that because it's been done before, more than once and in more than one country. But the cops still have to find Halbach's body / burnt remains, confirm that it's her (in the case of burnt remains) and then plant them in the burning pit. Or whoever killed Halbach did all that stuff within the timeframe of killing her and the cops finding the remains. The documentary had me pretty convinced that Steven Avery isn't guilty. But I have a hard time coming up with a viable murder conspiracy. The only believable police/prosecution conspiracy is an opportunistic frame up conspiracy, but the actual circumstances of the murder seems unlikely to be part of a police/prosecution conspiracy. Then again, being on the hook for $36 million without indemnity insurance to cover it is a powerful motivator for murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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