Bonesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Yeah, if conspiracy theorists want to claim Trump is a secret Democrat, I'm almost listening again. He's more anti-war than Clinton now if you can believe anything he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Trump knows that he has the Republicans he can get in the bag. With this debate he is reaching out to moderate and liberal independents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Trisk, that would be ironic as fuck. Stan, the battle continues between Trump and Sanders for those votes. I don't think it's likely they'll both get the nom, but political historians will make their careers if they try to explain where the votes fell if that were to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 45 minutes ago, Bonesy said: Yeah, if conspiracy theorists want to claim Trump is a secret Democrat, I'm almost listening again. He's more anti-war than Clinton now if you can believe anything he says. Isolationism is not unfamiliar to the GOP. They just aren't a big enough or powerful enough part of the GOP base for the past long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I only said I'm almost listening again. I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 9 minutes ago, Bonesy said: Stan, the battle continues between Trump and Sanders for those votes. I don't think it's likely they'll both get the nom, but political historians will make their careers if they try to explain where the votes fell if that were to happen. True. Sanders and Trump are most likely to capture independent votes necessary to win the election from their respective parties. His defense of Planned Parenthood and calling out Dubya for the Iraq war was absolutely directed towards capturing moderate and liberal independents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 52 minutes ago, Triskan said: Talk about irony of ironies, what if the super secret Clinton/You-Know-Who plan only backfired because Hillary lost to Bernie. Ah, but the true irony of ironies would be if Trump was a Clinton plant, and Sanders was a Bush plant. The perfect symmetry... I'm running out of tin foil now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Sanders a Bush plant... WHAT Even conspiracy theorists would WTF? that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Bonesy said: Sanders a Bush plant... WHAT Even conspiracy theorists would WTF? that one. It was intended as a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 11 minutes ago, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said: Ah, but the true irony of ironies would be if Trump was a Clinton plant, and Sanders was a Bush plant. The perfect symmetry... I'm running out of tin foil now. Look, I know that Sanders has had some pretty wild hair in the past, but I would hardly call him a bush plant... Oh you mean a Jeb Bush plant, my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonesy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I know Roose, but the veneer of possibilities needs to be there for true comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Wow. Trump is already pivoting to the general election before South Carolina has even voted. Bold. Risky. I'm very impressed. On the other hand he polled at 36% in South Carolina and the threshold for earning 90% of the delegates in South Carolina with this many candidates still running is: 37%. So it's risky because a small dip in his percentage rather than a small bump is more painful than it would be in most other states. I'm guessing trumps team knows that nobody else is dropping out before Super Tuesday and they know with five people running, trump is going to take fifty to sixty five percent of the Super Tuesday delegates with his third of the primary electorate, and that will be enough cushion to let him win out the rest of the primary calendar even with fewer competitors and clinch the nomination in April. The math isnt inevitable yet, but they seem to think it i. Trumps team must feel like they've crossed the event horizon already by executing this pivot so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I think Trump may finally have gone too far last night, tearing into GWB as he did (which, I admit, I enjoyed the hell out of). On the other hand, I've thought that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zelticgar Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 OAR, It felt like the topics were irrelevant. Trump basically took every opportunity he could to just hammer Jeb and GWB. He is like a dog with a bone. He went after Cruz as well but he really hammered Jeb. Seems like he has made a calculation that slamming Jeb and now GWB is a winning move. I have no idea how this will play out for the primaries but if he is nominated I dont think it will hurt him much. I'm really hoping for a Trump-Clinton general just to see how Hillary handles a debate with Trump. I have a feeling it will be three hours of Whitewater, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Benghazi, Goldman-Sachs speeches, and email server rants. Again, no idea how it will play out but its going to be entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lany Freelove Cassandra Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I just watched the debate. What a bunch of children they are! LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR [moderator: let's get back on track before we drive this in to the ground'] sorry, it was way too late for that I need to find a transcript of Cruz's ending statement because I heard something about a democrat taking away their (his daughter's) marriage liberties: WTF was that? (along with other liberties) eta: yep, I heard that right. What planet does this guy live on? Quote And today, we saw just how great the stakes are, two branches of government hang in the balance. Not just the presidency but the Supreme Court. If we get this wrong, if we nominate the wrong candidates, the Second Amendment, life, marriage, religious, liberty - everyone of those hangs in the balance. My little girls are here. I don't want to look my daughters in the eyes and say, "we lost their liberties." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 7 hours ago, OnionAhaiReborn said: I think Trump may finally have gone too far last night, tearing into GWB as he did (which, I admit, I enjoyed the hell out of). On the other hand, I've thought that before. Don't think so. Trump managed to cross the 40 points threshold according to the latest CBS polls, which pegs him at 42%. It's a way too big of lead to blow IMO. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-south-carolina-still-solidly-for-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 ok, boarders here falling down on the job again. Though this one seems almost surreal: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-asks-sanders-to-help-it-land-democratic-debate/ar-BBpuaDO?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=msnclassic Fox News sought Sunday to enlist a high-profile supporter for its campaign to land a Democratic presidential debate: Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. The Vermont senator sounded somewhat equivocal during his appearance on Fox News Sunday. "If I could have a guarantee -- and knew who the questioners were, and if the framework for the debate was fair -- I would have no objection," Sanders said. Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace had asked Sanders: "The Republicans have held debates on all the networks. But the Democrats so far have refused to hold a debate on Fox ... Would you be willing to participate in a Democratic debate on Fox News?" (Wallace also noted that other Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, has declined to appear on Fox News Sunday during this election cycle.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 The latest polls have Clinton up 19 in SC. I don't think that can be surmounted by Sanders. Nevada is still interesting, and still difficult to poll....looks to be a long March for everyone. I would like to go to the Flint debate, but tickets don't seem to be publicly available. I also don't want to become a member of the Democractic party, not sure if that is a requirement for any of the debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 10 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said: I would like to go to the Flint debate, but tickets don't seem to be publicly available. I also don't want to become a member of the Democractic party, not sure if that is a requirement for any of the debates. Hey, if it's good enough for Bernie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Why would the Dems be interested in showcasing Flint? They've had complete run of the place for decades and it's one of the worst places in the country to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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