PREDICTIONS

[Lurid Jester]

I'm only sort of reading this thread because I've already been burned by a "prediction" elsewhere that turned out to be an actual summary of an episode someone saw prior to release.  

I will, however, offer some predictions.

Theon will save Yara, mirroring her attempt to save him. Euronext is likely doing bad things to her. In the course of the rescue he will somewhatnredeem himself and finally come into his own. When Euron falls, Theon will take control of the Iron Fleet. 

Ghost won't be seen. 

...  yeah, that's all I've got.

[Lurid Jester]

On 8/8/2017 at 2:01 PM, King Louis II (KLII) said:

would explain the affinity of the dragons to another character....

There was another character that had an affinity to Drogon. Dany even says "He [Drogon] loves you."

but maybe that dothraki servant had the blood of valyria in her veins. 

[Iron Mother]

2 hours ago, SansaJonRule said:

People keep saying that Jon will bond with one of the dragons because he is a Targ, but even when dragon eggs were put in Targ children's beds with them, they often didn't bond with them, so that's a kind of big assumption.  Of course, non of that is explained in the show, so I guess not.

Agree about R&L=J thread.  Wasn't there one in the E03 forum?

I think (can't remember) I may have meant if they pulled the Tyrion Targaryen card people would be mass confusion.  But even the other one, there hasn't been enough groundwork for newer viewers I think.

It's true Targaryen's didn't always bond, and then there were people from Essos or something that ended up riding.

[LucyMormont]

8 minutes ago, Iron Mother said:

I think (can't remember) I may have meant if they pulled the Tyrion Targaryen card people would be mass confusion.  But even the other one, there hasn't been enough groundwork for newer viewers I think.

It's true Targaryen's didn't always bond, and then there were people from Essos or something that ended up riding.

But we know that from the books, did the show ever mention it?

Anyway, newer viewers might need to catch up... I knew of  viewers from day one who didn't get the Tower of Joy scene and thought Lyanna was giving birth to Ned's baby..

[Iron Mother]

18 minutes ago, LucyMormont said:

But we know that from the books, did the show ever mention it?

Anyway, newer viewers might need to catch up... I knew of  viewers from day one who didn't get the Tower of Joy scene and thought Lyanna was giving birth to Ned's baby..

The show is on its own path now.

The Tower thing, the visions were close enough together to get what was happening.... at least in the first one Bran says FATHER and in the next one they cut to Jon.

[SansaJonRule]

1 hour ago, Iron Mother said:

The show is on its own path now.

The Tower thing, the visions were close enough together to get what was happening.... at least in the first one Bran says FATHER and in the next one they cut to Jon.

I can see new viewers getting confused though if they don't know the back story. 

[SansaJonRule]

1 - What about Edmure and the Tully forces?  They have to show back up somewhere.  After Edmure surrendered, they showed the Lannister troops escorting the Tully troops out of the castle, and since Riverrun was under the control of the Freys then, I assumed Edmure and his troops were imprisoned at the Twins.  So Arya would know because she was at the feast afterwards.  Perhaps she has already freed Edmure and he is mustering his forces to join Jon since Jaime took most of the Lannister troops with him.

2 - Jorah shows up at Dragonstone and 1) makes Dany realize how much she has changed from the tender hearted Khaleesi he first followed and 2) she makes him her military commander

3 - Sam discovers how to forge Valyrian steel

4 - Gendry shows up and Jon sends him to WF to start forging VS swords (well, probably E06 actuallY)

 

[Olligarchy]

8 hours ago, Ben Chambers said:

I can understand that side but I think Dany is pulled up on her mistakes. Her council often make her aware of the wrong decisions she has made, decisions that other characters (particularly Jon Snow) make too. I found this and it explains my point of view perfectly - 

Jon, in ADWD, is in a very similar situation as Dany and actually makes many of the mistakes Dany makes. He ignores the social and cultural differences between the Wildlings and everyone else (similar to how Dany ignores the differences between slaves and freedmen). 

He ignores the council of his stewards and shuts them down even though he knows they resent him for it, and he makes no attempt to cull this.

This is similar to how Dany shut down Barristan for a brief moment because she didn't want to hear him speaking good about Ned Stark... you know, the guy who led a rebellion that slaughtered her immediate family and forced her and her brother to live in complete fear for her entire life, in abject poverty and constantly moving from one place to another in order to survive?

They both however, do what they do out of noble reasons. Dany wants to give the slaves a chance at freedom and to give them an equal opportunity to earn a living by using their skills to carve themselves a position in society and break the social divisions that bind them.

Jon wants to save the Wildlings from The Others because he considers them, above everything else, men and his duty is to guard men from The Others. He doesn't want to sentence thousands of men, women and children to die a horrible death.

And yet, the criticisms of Jon's actions never go so far as they do for Dany, even though their story arcs in ADWD are almost the same. Sitting around solving political problems and turmols after a difficult struggle.

Though I have taken this from online, I think it speaks truth about the criticism of Dany. In many ways, I feel that fans of the books and the shows want to dislike her because of the power she has and the "birth right" (depending on opinion)  that she bears. 

Additionally - correct me if I'm wrong - it can be said for some fans that Jon Snow is favoured because of his status as a "bastard", as an underdog in the world of game of thrones. For me, Jon's life is pretty comfortable compared to that of many who live in such a world and he definitely shouldn't be seen as an underdog. Sure, he's had his struggles and battles but so has every character, so why be so supportive of him, especially when his bravery, triumphs and victories can be matched by other characters. 

In reponse to you saying that Dany is the one we are meant to be rooting for or a Mary Sue as you say, I disagree. I believe that Jon is the one we're "meant" to be rooting for. I think his flaws are not as obvious if apparent, at all, compared to Dany's and are certainly not discussed as widely. Jon is a poster boy (or Marty Stu, which ever you prefer), he always tries his best, always succeeds and has climbed the "ladder"; he's brave, honourable and doesn't like killing but "has to" for (what he thinks) is for the good of the people or because it's the right thing to do. Dany, pretty much mimics this throughout the series. So, why is it that Jon is given a free pass when it comes to his actions? 

At the end of it all, they are both strong characters and I suppose my main issue here is that I don't see why fans of the series can criticise Dany for the mistakes that she has made, when another one of the fans favourites carries out similar sorts of actions which result in similar sorts of consequences. 

 

 

What you fail to realise is that whilst Jon's and Daenarys' storylines are fairly similar, one of them never really suffers any blowback for it. At the end of said storyline Daenarys has a strengthened army, navy and three full blown dragons with everyone worshipping her.

Jon Snow on the one hand gets stabbed in the heart and dies, with everyone blaming him for their problems, mostly because he acted like an idiot and didn't account for possible repercussions to going against the 'grain'.

As @SansaJonRule noted plenty of people call out Jon for being naive and frankly quite foolish both in the story and on these forums, but nobody in the story ever calls Daenarys on her mistakes, insinuating she's always right.

Daenarys as a character would be more easily liked if the story didn't bendover backwards to make her a special snowflake whose shit doesn't stink.

[TimeKills]

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I predict SweetRobin is now all grown up and looking hench, after all that extensive training. Sansa takes one look and decides marriage is now an option. Littlefinger out the moondoor. SweetRobin takes Vale army to defeat the the undead and gets obliterated. Sansa is finally pregnant. 

 

[Gala]

4 hours ago, Lurid Jester said:

There was another character that had an affinity to Drogon. Dany even says "He [Drogon] loves you."

but maybe that dothraki servant had the blood of valyria in her veins. 

Considering that she was from Lys she probably had few drops of Valyrian blood

[Deminelle]

20 hours ago, btfu806 said:

- Brianne continues to look left, then right. 

Flaring her nostrils, no doubt. 

We'll see Jorah back. His main purpose for the show will be helping Samwell, but that's in the future. Meanwhile he will hang around.

I'd like to see Jaime captured with Bronn who's not yet to die either, imo. However I don't know if he's important anymore.

Someone said Daario will be back, but I don't see how many important characters they can put together on Dragon Island at the same time. Jon probably leaves before it gets too crowded.

There will be no romantic action between Jon and Dany.

Lord Varys will plot something.

I'm not a book reader, so I can basically imagine anything, right? 

Oh, and Dario will court Cersei.

[btfu806]

6 hours ago, Olligarchy said:

What you fail to realise is that whilst Jon's and Daenarys' storylines are fairly similar, one of them never really suffers any blowback for it. At the end of said storyline Daenarys has a strengthened army, navy and three full blown dragons with everyone worshipping her.

Jon Snow on the one hand gets stabbed in the heart and dies, with everyone blaming him for their problems, mostly because he acted like an idiot and didn't account for possible repercussions to going against the 'grain'.

As @SansaJonRule noted plenty of people call out Jon for being naive and frankly quite foolish both in the story and on these forums, but nobody in the story ever calls Daenarys on her mistakes, insinuating she's always right.

Daenarys as a character would be more easily liked if the story didn't bendover backwards to make her a special snowflake whose shit doesn't stink.

YES! 

[mattnj81]

11 hours ago, SansaJonRule said:

I agree and suggested in an earlier post that it will take Jorah to make Dany realize how much she has changed.  He was her first Westerosi supporter, and the one who told her she had a gentle heart.  That's what I'm hoping for anyway!

I think it could make for a pretty powerful moment between two characters whose interactions go all the way back to episode 1. 

[Krishtotter]

18 hours ago, SansaJonRule said:

I agree and suggested in an earlier post that it will take Jorah to make Dany realize how much she has changed.  He was her first Westerosi supporter, and the one who told her she had a gentle heart.  That's what I'm hoping for anyway!

I think that you and the previous poster are perhaps right.

I see no other purpose for him in returning to her, other than to bring her back down to earth and remind her of who she really is. 

While Dany has never reciprocated Jorah's romantic attraction (well, fixation/obsession really) she does genuinely love and care for him as her longest-serving compatriot and advisor; the only person who has been present from the very start of her "ascent" and knew her when she was nought but the shy, abused girl dominated by her sociopathic elder brother.  

He is the only one who could ever "talk sense" to her, calling her by the affectionate name, "Khaleesi". Nobody else.

[SansaJonRule]

1 hour ago, Krishtotter said:

I think that you and the previous poster are perhaps right.

I see no other purpose for him in returning to her, other than to bring her back down to earth and remind her of who she really is. 

While Dany has never reciprocated Jorah's romantic attraction (well, fixation/obsession really) she does genuinely love and care for him as her longest-serving compatriot and advisor; the only person who has been present from the very start of her "ascent" and knew her when she was nought but the shy, abused girl dominated by her sociopathic elder brother.  

He is the only one who could ever "talk sense" to her, calling her by the affectionate name, "Khaleesi". Nobody else.

My thoughts EXACTLY! 

Although there is another reason, she needs a military commander who knows Westeros.

Wouldn't it be nice if she did fall for him though?  I mean, I know he sold people into slavery and initially was spying on Dany, but she inspired such a change of heart in him and he has been soooo loyal ever since.  I know it's a pipe dream, but he is such a sad, lonely character.

[Dragons dance with Wolves]

I doubt it gets revealed in E5 but i wanted to re-open the A+J = T theory. If Dany is going to use all three dragons effectively, they need to have riders... thus the Dragon has three heads. With Dany as the head, and Jon her nephew, Tyrion could very well be Dany's half brother.

Theres been plenty of potential evidence in the books/show ie his mismatching eyes, platinum blonde hair, dragon dreams, tyrion bonds with viserion in the pyramid etc etc but what fascinates me the most is for those that say if Tywin thought Tyrion wasn't his, he would have killed him... Tywin has always shown he believes what he chooses to believe, especially when Cersei tells Tywin to his face the rumors about her and Jaime's incest are true. Tywin dismisses it as nonsense. If Tyrion really is a product of Aerys and Joanna, he could very well ride Viserion, and Jon Rhaegel. This would be more likely if it happens at all during the war against the army of the dead, ie S8, but i cant wait to see what happens with Jon when he returns north to learn his true parentage. 

It would add closure to the old promise that a Stark would marry a Targ to bring peace and prosperity to the world. Whether that was Rhaegar and Lyanna producing Jon as AA, or Jon and Dany getting together to save Westeros, who knows?

[King Louis II (KLII)]

18 minutes ago, Dragons dance with Wolves said:

but what fascinates me the most is for those that say if Tywin thought Tyrion wasn't his, he would have killed him... Tywin has always shown he believes what he chooses to believe, especially when Cersei tells Tywin to his face the rumors about her and Jaime's incest are true. Tywin dismisses it as nonsense.

Watch this scene and pay attention in Twynn words at 3:50

 

[lakin1013]

16 hours ago, Olligarchy said:

What you fail to realise is that whilst Jon's and Daenarys' storylines are fairly similar, one of them never really suffers any blowback for it. At the end of said storyline Daenarys has a strengthened army, navy and three full blown dragons with everyone worshipping her.

Jon Snow on the one hand gets stabbed in the heart and dies, with everyone blaming him for their problems, mostly because he acted like an idiot and didn't account for possible repercussions to going against the 'grain'.

As @SansaJonRule noted plenty of people call out Jon for being naive and frankly quite foolish both in the story and on these forums, but nobody in the story ever calls Daenarys on her mistakes, insinuating she's always right.

Daenarys as a character would be more easily liked if the story didn't bendover backwards to make her a special snowflake whose shit doesn't stink.

I tend to agree with most of what you write.  Dany has so much shine while Jon gets to be dead.  Dany gets 3 magnificent dragons and Jon gets 1 direwolf that for all we know, died last year :-)  Dany has ships and Dothraki and the Unsullied and House Martell and Dorne and the Ironborn, while Jon gets yelled at at KoTN councils :-) by his naggy sister.  Either the story is bending over backwards to make Dany the sun, moon, and stars, or they are exaggerating Jon's lack of worth in order to surprise us later, or they are doing a very poor job of showing the true Jon.  

My vote is still out. 

[Illiterati]

I think the Valonqar could be the little sibling to Joffrey, Tommen, and Myrcella.  The unborn sibling.  Cersei could die the way her mother died.

[Dragons dance with Wolves]

1 hour ago, King Louis II (KLII) said:

Watch this scene and pay attention in Twynn words at 3:50

 

That scene would indicate to me he suspects Tyrion isn't his, but because the perception of public is that he is his son, he dresses him with Lannister red, despite his hatred. And to a certain extent, perception becomes reality, at least in public.