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17 minutes ago, The Great Unwashed said:

I (mostly) jest. I hardly ever partake myself, although I probably will once it becomes legal here, because I've found that it manages my anxiety, depression and insomnia much better than the pharmacopia of pills I'm on now possibly ever could.

Your experience of what navigating medical marijuana is like sounds almost word-for-word identical for what it's like navigating the world of psychiatry with ADD, anxiety and depression, except figuring out correct dosage for one substance sounds a hell of a lot easier than figuring it out for 5. I imagine medical pot would be more expensive though, since it wouldn't be insured, but that's why I'm looking into growing my own. And may recreational pot use be ever in our favor.

Cheers! 

I hope one day you can overcome these things and no longer need chemical interventions. I'm not a big fan of long term symptomatic management.

For one thing, it doesn't matter if it's big pharma or big weed, both industries have a vested interest in keeping you dependent on them for you to maintain some level of stable existence. The more it's legalised the more big weed is going to become indistinguishable from the other corporate masters who run our lives. Weed won't be what the cool kids do anymore because it will be a product of The Man.

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11 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

Sorry, pleeeeeease don't hurt me.

I'm not going to hurt you.

You're going to whip yourself through the streets.

Heh he he ha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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2 minutes ago, Jace, The Sugarcube said:

I'm not going to hurt you.

You're going to whip yourself through the streets.

Heh he he ha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

As long as I get to keep my pants on.

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7 hours ago, chiKanery et al. said:

The constituents watching the campaign. Specifically those on the fence and those who didn't vote.

And the evidence that civility is a big issue for these voters is...?

7 hours ago, chiKanery et al. said:

You need the Democratic nominee to be able to contrast themselves with Trump's boorish behavior. 

Again, why is it not possible for the Democratic nominee to contrast themselves with Trump's boorish behaviour by, for example, not bragging about sexual assaults they've committed? Or not mocking disabled reporters? Or not praising Nazis?

7 hours ago, chiKanery et al. said:

I can cite that less than 100,000 voters in three states are the difference between a Trump and Clinton presidency. It's not like we need to move mountains here.

So, no. You have no polls showing this is an issue. You just assume it is. And you need to reflect on why that is, and what underlies that: the framing through which you view politics. Because let's be honest - Hillary Clinton was the definition of civil, but it didn't seem to win over those same 100,000 voters.

7 hours ago, chiKanery et al. said:

I seriously doubt that resistance voters would abandon the party in 2020 over not getting their ideal candidate. And they can still get a candidate who will put up a forceful resistance without jumping into the sewer with Trump. 

There's a difference between what Maxine Waters said and 'jumping into the sewer with Trump'. This is a false equivalence.

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Re: Civility

Now liberal sorts of people, I’m pretty sure you can go right on ahead and keep lighting that conservative ass right on up without hand wringing too much about it, as I’m pretty sure that the recent call by conservatives for "civility" is not done in good faith.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/26/17506290/paul-ryan-maxine-waters-steve-king

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/26/17504258/trump-red-hen-civility

If conservative sorts of people are really, really, interested in having a civil discourse then they can start by doing it and demonstrating it. But, ya know, I’m suspicious that this recent conservative call for civility is not done in good faith and is just another bullshit conservative grievance. It’s yet another case of conservatives thought they had a point, but really don’t.

When Orin Hatch called progressives the same old liberal dumb asses, I don’t recall, in that instance conservatives being outraged by the lack of civility. Not that really care about Orin Hatchs lack of civility in this case, as I generally don’t give a flyin’ fuck what Hatch thinks. He can call me or other liberals what he wants. Though, he and other conservative sorts of people ought not be to surprised when I go tell him to go jump in a fuckin’ lake and am generally rude and obnoxious to people like Hatch.

Or how about Mitt Romney’s 47% comment? That comment may have not had one f-bomb or a god damnit in it, but you know, I think it’s pretty uncivil to call about half the country a bunch of no good bums. Where were the Republican concerns for “civility” then? No where to be found. Shocker.

For liberal sorts of people that are handwringing a lot about “civility” my question would be: Do you like being made a sucker? What about the current Republican Party makes you think their calls for civility is remotely genuine?

But, aside, from the fact, that the current crop of Republicans are being mainly bullshit artist with regard to their recent new found appreciation for civility, I’ll just point out that perhaps not everyone is entitled to civility. People who go around telling patent, blatant, and nasty falsehoods about others are not entitled to it here. Think, Trump’s false comments about immigrants and crime. This isn’t just a matter of where “reasonable people can disagree”. It is a blatant false hoold meant to smear another group unfairly.

Also, people that go around spewing nutball conspiracy theories, after said said nutball conspiracy theories have been debunked time after time, are not really entitled to civility. Think birthers here.

Then there are conservative Republican loud mouths like Ted Nugent. They too are not deserving of that much civility. In fact, more will get accomplished by giving these types a quick verbal swift kick in the ass.

And then, perpetual bullshit artist like Paul Ryan, aren’t really deserving of much civility either.

Really the only people I’m really concerned with extended civility to are those people that are thinking about voting against Trump in the next election. It’s true that it’s a bit depressing that they haven’t already decided to vote against him. But, since I’m ultimately concerned about winning the next election, I’m willing to extend to those folks a civil discussion, as I don’t think taking any vote for granted, given the stakes involved, is wise. I’ll take any vote I can get.

But overall, meh to this hand wringing over “civility”.

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We were told that the greatest deal maker evah had secured promises from KJu to de-nuclearize, even if the agreement didn't exactly spell it out.  So, golly gee whiz, what happened?  

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North Korea has continued to upgrade its only known nuclear reactor used to fuel its weapons program, satellite imagery has shown, despite ongoing negotiations with the US and a pledge to denuclearize.

Infrastructure improvements at the Yongbyon nuclear plant are “continuing at a rapid pace”, according to an analysis by monitoring group 38 North of commercial satellite images taken on 21 June.

The cooling system for the plutonium production reactor has been modified and at least two new non-industrial buildings have been built on the site, possibly for use by visiting officials. A new engineering office building has been completed and construction has continued on support facilities throughout the complex, according to a blog post written by Frank V Pabian, Joseph S Bermudez Jr and Jack Liu...………………………………… “Continued work at the Yongbyon facility should not be seen as having any relationship to North Korea’s pledge to denuclearise,” the experts warned. “The North’s nuclear cadre can be expected to proceed with business as usual until specific orders are issued from Pyongyang.”

But, but, but the Orange Dope crowed loudly about it being a done deal and he and KJu were besties.   How uncivil of the of monitoring group 38 North to tell us the truth!

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Re: Civility

The message from the GOP in coming months is that the left is "unhinged". 

Here is a GOP advertisement, using the left's own words against them. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFRHX6glTSM

You want to make people sympathize with the Trump administration? Then keep screaming at his cabinet members in restaurants, keep screaming NAZI and BIGOT every time someone supports his presidency. The left has become the party of chicken little. When everything is racist, or the end of the world, nothing is. 

 

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10 hours ago, The Great Unwashed said:

 Fuck yes!

Why do you think that's a good thing? The party losing a long-time leader for a 28 year old socialist candidate is not a good sign.

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1 minute ago, sperry said:

Why do you think that's a good thing? The party losing a long-time leader for a 28 year old socialist candidate is not a good sign.

The long time leader managed to lead the party out of power. I imagine that having a 28 year old socialist voted in as a candidate is a pretty good sign of what the voters in that district actually want. 

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Not a good sign of what? You have heavily liberal places with representatives that are middle of the road for quite a while now, its time for some of that to change. She is also a better representation of what her district is more than the incumbent.

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41 minutes ago, Frog Eater said:

Re: Civility

The message from the GOP in coming months is that the left is "unhinged". 

Here is a GOP advertisement, using the left's own words against them. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFRHX6glTSM

All one has to do is use Trump's words against him (and often times, Trump uses his own words against things he has said in the past, so there should be a gold mine there).

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1 minute ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

Not a good sign of what? You have heavily liberal places with representatives that are middle of the road for quite a while now, its time for some of that to change. She is also a better representation of what her district is more than the incumbent.

Replacing party leadership with radicals is not a good sign for the party.

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I find it incredible that a ten-term white man in his fifties was seen as the "young blood" amongst democratic leadership.  That alone means I'm totally on board with him getting voted out.  I'm FAR from a Sanders supporter, but I can see that a bunch of 70-somethings are not the leadership the Democrats need. 

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1 minute ago, Maithanet der Mannschaft said:

I find it incredible that a ten-term white man in his fifties was seen as the "young blood" amongst democratic leadership.  That alone means I'm totally on board with him getting voted out.  I'm FAR from a Sanders supporter, but I can see that a bunch of 70-somethings are not the leadership the Democrats need. 

28 year old socialists are not the leadership Democrats need either, though.

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while I disagree with her politics on a wholesale level, she does make some good points. 

I have been saying for as long as I can remember that members of the house of representatives should be exactly that, representatives of their communities. They need to attend the schools, churches, and actually live in the community. 

Once these representative start taking corporate money for their "reelection campaigns", they no longer represent the people of their communities

Members of the House of Representatives should be limited to 8 years, there is a reason their terms are only 2 years. Its because there should be frequent turnover. It should not be a career position, it should be a position taken by a community leader for a short period of time. 

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5 minutes ago, sperry said:

28 year old socialists are not the leadership Democrats need either, though.

You keep saying that, but you haven't actually explained your reasoning at all. Expound a little bit; why is this a bad thing? 

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5 minutes ago, sperry said:

28 year old socialists are not the leadership Democrats need either, though.

Well she's not running for speaker.  I think 28 year old Latina socialists absolutely have a place in the Democratic party.  If socialists aren't represented amongst the ranks of Democrats, why should we expect socialists to vote Democratic? 

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8 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I hope one day you can overcome these things and no longer need chemical interventions. I'm not a big fan of long term symptomatic management.

For one thing, it doesn't matter if it's big pharma or big weed, both industries have a vested interest in keeping you dependent on them for you to maintain some level of stable existence. The more it's legalised the more big weed is going to become indistinguishable from the other corporate masters who run our lives. Weed won't be what the cool kids do anymore because it will be a product of The Man.

I'm kind of curious to hear how you think chemical imbalances in the brain should be handled, if not chemically.  These are symptoms of something one can't just 'overcome', and insinuating that mental illness can is part of the reason there is still a stigma around it; where people don't talk about it or seek help because they feel they should 'overcome' it and it's only that they are weak that they can't.  For some of those people that thought process ends in them taking their own life.

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11 minutes ago, sperry said:

28 year old socialists are not the leadership Democrats need either, though.

Why? Where has old cowardly centrist gotten them? Republicans keep electing far right psychos and that seems to be working pretty well.

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19 minutes ago, sperry said:

Replacing party leadership with radicals is not a good sign for the party.

Not sure why you are equating progressives with radicals. Please come up with a more refined objection.

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