US Politics: Crossing that Ford

[Martell Spy]

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Public support for Judge Brett Kavanaugh to fill the vacant Supreme Court seat has dropped to its lowest point since President Donald Trump nominated him in July, driven in large part by a sector of the president’s base: Republican women …

New Poll: Kavanaugh, Trump Losing Support of Republican Women

[Since last week] Kavanaugh’s net support among Republicans — the share who oppose his confirmation subtracted from those who support it — dropped 11 points, with 58 percent now in support of his confirmation and 14 percent opposed. The shift was driven by an 18-point fall in support among Republican women, with 49 percent now in favor and 15 percent in opposition.

And the growing aversion to Kavanaugh among Republican women seems to be tainting the man who nominated him:

[V]iews of Trump over the past week have been dragged down alongside those of his nominee. Seventy-two percent of GOP voters now approve of the president and 23 disapprove, down 16 points since the poll last week. (The results for GOP voters have a 4-point margin of error.)

 

Among GOP women, the drop was 19 points since last week, with 68 percent approving and 26 percent disapproving.

That’s a pretty rapid deterioration, and it’s probably not a coincidence that it occurred when the airwaves and the internet was full of discussion about women’s allegations against Kavanaugh and Republican men dismissing them.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/poll-kavanaugh-trump-losing-support-of-republican-women.html

[SweetPea]

4 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

Throughout all of human history the trend of the military is to almost always comply with election negating orders.  Generally, In these cases, the military is rather enthusiastic to comply.

not sure what mythical basis you have to make you think the armed forces would disobey An order like that, particularly as such an order would be one of their wildest dreams come true, like winning the lottery.

Ah, here comes again the theorizing about how Nazi Trumpf is going to use the military and take over the country, like the evil dictator we all know he aspires to be. Please continue, I like fanfiction.

[Martell Spy]

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Evelyn Farkas, an Obama administration Pentagon official who focused on Eastern Europe and Russia, said the proposals in the memo aren’t unusual; in fact, they mirror proposals that Moscow makes regularly.

“It’s nothing new,” she told The Daily Beast. “What is new is that they’re trying to do this through this weird backchannel.”

But the proposal of the task force—the memo’s fifth point—caught the eye of Mieke Eoyang, vice president of the think tank Third Way’s national-security program and a former House Intelligence Committee staffer.

“Number five, that there’s a task force where the Russians are going to participate in figuring out what the policy should be on numbers one through four, that’s really not normal,” she told The Daily Beast. “They call it shuttle diplomacy for a reason: There’s a back and forth on it. But you’re not letting them inside your decision-making loop.”

The memo was also sent to Richard Gerson, head of Falcon Edge Capital, a hedge fund in New York City. A representative for Gerson said he was in the Seychelles the week of the Prince-Dmitriev meeting but left the island before it took place. The representative declined to comment on the memo.

One Obama-era State Department official, who requested anonymity because of political sensitivities, said all the priorities laid out in the memo would be typical for two countries with normal relations. But he added that he was astounded this pitch was made in the wake of Russia’s 2016 election meddling. “It’s breathtaking,” he said.

Himes put it this way: “This just feels to me like one more of the half-dozen examples of Russians sticking their tentacles out to see what kind of relationships they might build, what kind of influence they might have.”

 

Revealed: What Erik Prince and Moscow’s Money Man Discussed in That Infamous Seychelles Meeting
Mueller’s team and congressional investigators have looked into a meeting in the Seychelles between allies of Trump and Putin. Now we have the Russian read-out of what was said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/revealed-what-erik-prince-and-moscows-money-man-discussed-in-that-infamous-seychelles-meeting?ref=home

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

11 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

Throughout all of human history the trend of the military is to almost always comply with election negating orders.  Generally, In these cases, the military is rather enthusiastic to comply.

not sure what mythical basis you have to make you think the armed forces would disobey An order like that, particularly as such an order would be one of their wildest dreams come true, like winning the lottery.

 

Upon what do you base your implication that the US military is chomping at the bit to take control of the US?

[Serious Callers Only]

26 minutes ago, JEORDHl said:

It seems like Trump is side-eye alleging a Chinese plot to interfere in the midterms because of their targeted tariffs? 

More like is planning the reason for martial law against 'election fraud'.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

11 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said:

Yea, these people must be ignorant of Blair Mountain and how the US army fired on civilians.

Blair Mountain is three years short of happening a century ago.  What bearing does it have on the modern US military?

[JGP]

2 minutes ago, Serious Callers Only said:

More like is planning the reason for martial law.

Maybe. I mean, it's hard to believe even an intellectual feather weight like Trump would use leverage as hostile trade negotiation without understanding reciprocity. Perhaps he was speaking to his base-- because I cannot imagine a declaration of martial law working out for him or the GOP, *long term. 

*talking anything more than a few days here

[lokisnow]

14 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Upon what do you base your implication that the US military is chomping at the bit to take control of the US?

The last seventeen years.

[Zorral]

33 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said:

Don't forget btw, that Kavanaugh berated her and asked her how many times she let Clinton cum in her mouth. That is the kind of sick depraved piece of shit these sick depraved pieces of shit want on the supreme court.

 

Women have not forgotten, that's for sure!

[maarsen]

33 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said:

Don't forget btw, that Kavanaugh berated her and asked her how many times she let Clinton cum in her mouth. That is the kind of sick depraved piece of shit these sick depraved pieces of shit want on the supreme court.

 

Well this certainly shows Kavanagh in his true light. He was angry because he could only get laid by intoxicating women with drugs and liquor, while Clinton could get  consensual sex. Envy is a terrible thing. 

[The Anti-Targ]

35 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

They might.  I think they will fail miserably if they try.  What worries me more is playing with the numbers to make it look like they win.

I dunno. Are there enough or any honourable Republicans in the House or Senate to go against this?  The only thing they need to fall into line is a sufficiently detailed and serious external threat to defend the decision. Are the US's checks and balances really strong enough to prevent this if you have a President, and congressional majority willing to go along. The military will comply either by staying out of it, or obeying whatever order gets handed down from the White House. One could argue that the military acting against its Commander in Chief is almost worse than what Trump might be cooking up. The only thing the military can do is install an unelected government, which is no different to what the Republicans might be trying to do. But at least with the Republicans there would be a facade of democracy, because it wasn't the army taking charge.

[Bonnot OG]

 

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

16 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

The last seventeen years.

What?  I know I people in military.  Literally none of them want Martial law.  What durning “the last seventeen years” has the US Military done to suggest it wants direct control of the US Government?

[lokisnow]

One of the most interesting tidbits is that McConnell was against this from the start, what do you bet one of his staffers is a former classmate of Kavanaughs? 

[Bonnot OG]

There is a 5th victim.

[fionwe1987]

I'm feeling a little physically sick reading all this. One thing is certain: if even the low, low, low bar of not being a serial sexual abuser cannot be cleared by this nominee, and he still gets confirmed, this country will have truly shown its utter contempt for women.

[Martell Spy]

I always wondered what the accused rape bar is for the GOP. I guess we are going to find out.

[Bonnot OG]

8 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

I'm feeling a little physically sick reading all this. One thing is certain: if even the low, low, low bar of not being a serial sexual abuser cannot be cleared by this nominee, and he still gets confirmed, this country will have truly shown its utter contempt for women.

Gets worse. The GOP is probably releasing anonymous allegations to make the rest look like bullshit. 

Those are the type of scumbags the GOP are filled with and ran by.

1 minute ago, Martell Spy said:

I always wondered what the accused rape bar is for the GOP. I guess we are going to find out.

Anyone that isn't white. Look at how they were okay with Trump saying mexicans are rapists. They want white women to themselves to rape them without sharing.

[Martell Spy]

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Officials inside the White House, as well as outside advisers, told the The Daily Beast that mood has become less bullish. Senior aides fear delivering Trump a major failure and humiliation that he can—and likely will—pin on those around him and squeamish Republican lawmakers. There is palpable fear that the party's base will turn on Republicans should the Kavanaugh nomination fail.

Top donors, meanwhile, have said that they will continue writing checks out of a growing fear that the party could lose the Senate in addition to the House this coming fall. But one major contributor warned that lawmakers had to show them that they had put up a sufficient fight to get Kavanaugh on to the Court or else the checks wouldn't come.

 

‘Disaster’: Trumpworld Starting to Sweat Over Brett Kavanaugh’s Mounting Sexual Assault Allegations
The president is publicly running to his embattled nominee’s defense. But his team is sending out signals that all may not be well.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/disaster-trumpworld-starting-to-sweat-over-brett-kavanaughs-mounting-sexual-assault-allegations?ref=home

[Bonnot OG]

Texas executed an innocent man today.