Rant & Rave Season 8 [Spoilers]: When you are cool like a cucumber, as evil as the mother of madness, but never as perfect as the pet!

[House Cambodia]

5 minutes ago, HairGrowsBack said:

What's especially heartbreaking is that now everything that she has is tainted. Oathkeeper, her armour, her knighthood, all of this was given to her by Jaime because he supposedly loved her and admired her, and now everytime she's going to look at them will be a reminder of what he did to her...the guy who took her virginity, kept on having sex with her for a few weeks, and fucked off into the night. What the actual hell...

Yes. It was a perfect moment when he knighted her. Could have - should have - left it there. The shagging added absolutely nothing to the story.

[HairGrowsBack]

Just now, House Cambodia said:

Yes. It was a perfect moment when he knighted her. Could have - should have - left it there. The shagging added absolutely nothing to the story.

My guess is that George told D&D they would and so they went on and checked that box but decided to piss on it immediately after.

[HexMachina]

My friend and i had marvellous fun watching this episode at the same time and live reacting via messenger. Much hilarity, my favourite part was the Golden Company being destroyed. I laughed for a good five minutes afterwards.

oops, i mean almost all of the Golden Company. Lets not forget Shergar and his glorious bangs, who lived to ride again at the end of the episode, somehow

[Beardy the Wildling]

1 hour ago, HairGrowsBack said:

My guess is that George told D&D they would and so they went on and checked that box but decided to piss on it immediately after.

I don't know why, but D&D seem weirdly invested in Jaime and Cersei's lust for each other, like, they romanticise the hell out of a toxic incestuous relationship. I mean, I get it DB Weiss, if your kink is brother sister incest and zombie polar bears more power to you, but don't write that shit as if it's normal or compatible with a redemption arc in the slightest.

[Le Cygne]

4 hours ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

I don't know why, but D&D seem weirdly invested in Jaime and Cersei's lust for each other, like, they romanticise the hell out of a toxic incestuous relationship. I mean, I get it DB Weiss, if your kink is brother sister incest and zombie polar bears more power to you, but don't write that shit as if it's normal or compatible with a redemption arc in the slightest.

They gave Cersei a great death, too. Comforted by someone who "loves" her and over quickly.

They love the villains.

The victims, like Sandor, they take away everything they are, and say well, the trauma was good!

[HairGrowsBack]

11 minutes ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

I don't know why, but D&D seem weirdly invested in Jaime and Cersei's lust for each other, like, they romanticise the hell out of a toxic incestuous relationship. I mean, I get it DB Weiss, if your kink is brother sister incest and zombie polar bears more power to you, but don't write that shit as if it's normal or compatible with a redemption arc in the slightest

Exactly ! And what's even more infuriating is the horde of "book fans" whose interpretation is completely influenced by the show and tell you that Jaime is "addicted" to Cersei in the books as well and that it's a love story. GRRM's response to that bullshit was literally "you know that's incest, right ?".

I don't know if it's an incest kink, a stanning of Lena Headey, or a weird combination of both, but it sure as hell ended up ruining not one, not two, but three great character arcs.

[House Cambodia]

1 minute ago, Le Cygne said:

They gave Cersei a great death, too. Comforted by someone who "loves" her and over quickly.

1. Jamie should have mentioned in passing that it was Tyrion's escape plan, for which Tyrion has risked his life. That would REALLY have pissed her off in her final moments.

2. It should have been stored wildfire overwhelming them in the crypts for a bit of poetic justice.

[Lady Fevre Dream]

20 minutes ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

I don't know why, but D&D seem weirdly invested in Jaime and Cersei's lust for each other, like, they romanticise the hell out of a toxic incestuous relationship. I mean, I get it DB Weiss, if your kink is brother sister incest and zombie polar bears more power to you, but don't write that shit as if it's normal or compatible with a redemption arc in the slightest.

I honestly think they are more invested in Cersei and Tyrion.  Jaime is just there in their minds to service their favorite Lannisters.  I honestly think they think Tyrion and Cersei would be the perfect pair, LOL  In their minds, all Cersei has done wrong is screw the wrong brother. 

[Cas Stark]

23 minutes ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

I honestly think they are more invested in Cersei and Tyrion.  Jaime is just there in their minds to service their favorite Lannisters.  I honestly think they think Tyrion and Cersei would be the perfect pair, LOL  In their minds, all Cersei has done wrong is screw the wrong brother. 

It's more about Lena, I never saw them as shipping Tyrion and Cersei, Tyrion is always propping her up and blabbing how she's not a monster, even though she clearly is and he used to know that, and Jamie is there, whatever his book story was, they cut it, he could still end up going back to her, or not, all the show tells me is they die together, hopefully a better death.  

And if they wanted to show Cersei as a tragic victim, they had Euron right there to make her pay for trying to use one last person in her quest for power who turns out to be darker than she is, that would have been a fittingly tragic end for her, and it may go that way in the books.  She starts with Lancel, nice kid, who she manipulates and breaks, moves through the Kettleblacks, and ends up tied to Euron, a truly evil, batshit sadist.  

[Lady Fevre Dream]

6 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

It's more about Lena, I never saw them as shipping Tyrion and Cersei, Tyrion is always propping her up and blabbing how she's not a monster, even though she clearly is and he used to know that, and Jamie is there, whatever his book story was, they cut it, he could still end up going back to her, or not, all the show tells me is they die together, hopefully a better death.  

And if they wanted to show Cersei as a tragic victim, they had Euron right there to make her pay for trying to use one last person in her quest for power who turns out to be darker than she is, that would have been a fittingly tragic end for her, and it may go that way in the books.  She starts with Lancel, nice kid, who she manipulates and breaks, moves through the Kettleblacks, and ends up tied to Euron, a truly evil, batshit sadist.  

I don't think they 'ship' Tyrion and Cersei, I just think they intellectually think they are the best 'pairing' in some ways, maybe in a more emotional way.  It may have a lot to do with how their Cersei is different than book Cersei and somehow St. Tyrion is still their personal POV, I guess.  Not like crazy teenage shippers, no, that's not what I mean.  Well, in a joking manner I do, but not really. 

Yes, your idea on what to do with Show Cersei and Euron could have been interesting.  One of the main reasons we could not have anything resembling Book Euron is because putting him with Cersei would mean.......sidelining their Cersei at best, or if done in true character, he'd probably kill her if he didn't find a real use for her.  Heaven knows their Cersei is not amusing, so that wouldn't have saved her life, either, LOL

[Cas Stark]

2 minutes ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

I don't think they 'ship' Tyrion and Cersei, I just think they intellectually think they are the best 'pairing' in some ways, maybe in a more emotional way.  It may have a lot to do with how their Cersei is different than book Cersei and somehow St. Tyrion is still their personal POV, I guess.  Not like crazy teenage shippers, no, that's not what I mean.  Well, in a joking manner I do, but not really. 

Yes, your idea on what to do with Show Cersei and Euron could have been interesting.  One of the main reasons we could not have anything resembling Book Euron is because putting him with Cersei would mean.......sidelining their Cersei at best, or if done in true character, he'd probably kill her if he didn't find a real use for her.  Heaven knows their Cersei is not amusing, so that wouldn't have saved her life, either, LOL

I thought for a second they might go there when they had Tyrion blabbing about her pregnancy in front of Euron, where that would have given Lena a scene with dialogue and been a reason why Euron existed on the show.  But, of course, they didn't.  Stoic, no line Cersei to the very last, and then dies like a coward, when we already saw that she would never let  herself be taken captive and should have had fucking poison on her at the start.

[Prince of the North]

On 5/13/2019 at 7:34 AM, kissdbyfire said:

Can someone explain to me how on earth no one else died screaming when Drogon roasted Varys? They should have all died, Dany included. 

I was thinking killing Varys, a high-level rogue/bureaucrat, must have given Drogon enough experience points to level-up and he chose the new skill of "incendiary fire" (i.e. whatever his fire touches immediately explodes).

On 5/13/2019 at 12:08 PM, Free Northman Reborn said:

Yep. Drogon got upgraded to breathing photon torpedoes in episode 5.

HA!  Yes, either that or they got Drogon confused with Godzilla!

[Le Cygne]

34 minutes ago, Prince of the North said:

I was thinking killing Varys, a high-level rogue/bureaucrat, must have given Drogon enough experience points to level-up and he chose the new skill of "incendiary fire" (i.e. whatever his fire touches immediately explodes).

HA!  Yes, either that or they got Drogon confused with Godzilla!

It really is funny! You got me laughing.

I was mostly just listening, I couldn't watch, it was like, I never did like cheesy monster movies even when I was a kid, I'm not going to watch them now!

It was like one of those really bad ones, with people running and screaming, and over the top melodrama, and so many awkward dull spots. You couldn't take it seriously.

And yet... it was the destruction of a book series I loved, so my first response was not to laugh. But I'm definitely getting there now.

[kissdbyfire]

Oh well... 

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-star-wars-films-after-rise-of-skywalker-will-1834749699

[Demetri]

In defense of Kit: Kit isn't an amazing actor but it isn't like they gave him a ton to work with. In the chicken and egg discussion of "Is Kit wooden and they wrote Jon that way as a result or is Jon that way so kit's acting is wooden" I think the latter obviously wins. Kit won't win any oscars, but when 90% of your dialogue is some variation of "She's my Queen" then what can you really do? Maybe say it once with a slight growl, another time with resigned certainty, another time as if you're tired? 

 

[Nowy Tends]

8 hours ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

This attitude from D&D is utterly disgusting. Actors are paid to get into a role and bring it to life. Their input and understanding of the character is absolutely necessary for an adaptation or screenplay to work. I can't wait for the actors' NDAs to run out so they can tell us what other nasty shit the Ds pulled, because I imagine this is not an isolated incident (looking at you, Barristan).

looking at you, Barristan:

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/13/idiocy-on-the-internet/

[Beardy the Wildling]

3 minutes ago, Nowy Tends said:

looking at you, Barristan:

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/13/idiocy-on-the-internet/

Lol, Barristan's actor fucked up there, but I was more talking about how he was pissed at D&D for having Barry's arc killed off XD

[kissdbyfire]

10 minutes ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

Lol, Barristan's actor fucked up there, but I was more talking about how he was pissed at D&D for having Barry's arc killed off XD

It’s not just that David and Dan decided to kill off Barristan when they did. I mean, that was a[nother] stupid decision. They wanted to make room for Tyrion the Gift that Keeps on Giving. Whatever. But the way in which they handled the whole thing was awful, rude, nasty, and an all-round arseholery of epic proportions. 

[Beardy the Wildling]

2 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

It’s not just that David and Dan decided to kill off Barristan when they did. I mean, that was a[nother] stupid decision. They wanted to make room for Tyrion the Gift that Keeps on Giving. Whatever. But the way in which they handled the whole thing was awful, rude, nasty, and an all-round arseholery of epic proportions. 

Can you imagine the conversation they must have had?

Barry: But Barristan doesn't die here, he stays behind and deals with the harpies!

D1: Sorry, but Tyrion is a better character. Look, here's an 'I drink and I know things' mug!

Barry: But this is just unceremonious and mean-spirited!

D2: Unceremonious and mean-spirited is what we do. No seriously, here's a 'We hate emotional investment' t-shirt. We think it'll catch on.

[Tijgy]

5 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

It’s not just that David and Dan decided to kill off Barristan when they did. I mean, that was a[nother] stupid decision. They wanted to make room for Tyrion the Gift that Keeps on Giving. Whatever. But the way in which they handled the whole thing was awful, rude, nasty, and an all-round arseholery of epic proportions. 

If only Barry was there to guide Dany... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cio94gfchaY&t=1s