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NFL 2019: Wild Card, Mitches!

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If you think you know how tall any of the shorter quarterbacks are, you are kidding yourself.  The closest to the truth you'll get is at the combine.

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10 minutes ago, briantw said:

Brees and Mayfield are both over six feet.  I think Mayfield was 6'1 in shoes. 

I see Brees listed at 6 feet even. But who knows, it may have been fudged. These numbers get fudged all the time. Brees is comparable to Wilson in height and is an all time great. We're literally disagreeing about an inch here. Not an Al Pacino Any Given Sunday kind of inch, either.

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7 minutes ago, Bronn Stone said:

If you think you know how tall any of the shorter quarterbacks are, you are kidding yourself.  The closest to the truth you'll get is at the combine.

That would be why I just listed Mayfield's Combine number.

Wilson's Combine height was 5'10 5/8", so he is absolutely under six feet.

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37 minutes ago, briantw said:

I mean, I definitely think that skill can override height.  We've seen it done before.  But at the same time, there's just not a lot of examples of successful QBs under six feet.  You've got Russell Wilson and that's pretty much it.

There's not a lot of examples of QBs under 6 feet, period. Can you name many that are actual failures? For a long time, they were simply never given a shot. 

Really, even taking out the idea of Russell Wilson being this outlier, simply look at the dude's performance in games. Again quality opponents like, well, Alabama, who is made up of basically NFL players at this point. The idea that you won't be able to see over your linemen for throws matters a lot less when you're doing shotgun for 70% of your snaps. 

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4 hours ago, Bronn Stone said:

Fixed.

Fake News! Tua will still be the likely favorite to go first overall. 

3 hours ago, Maithanet said:

Taking Murray and giving up on Rosen would be surprising, since that would be essentially throwing away last year's #10 pick (Rosen's trade value would be destroyed by this move).  But Rosen wasn't good this year (11tds, 14 ints), so it's really an open question whether people saw enough flashes of potential whether there's hope for further development.  His scouting report (as I remember it) was that he was pretty pro-ready, but he took too many risks and would get punished by NFL defenses early.  That definitely happened, 14 picks in 13 games is not good, even for a rookie.  The other big question is how good your scouts think Murray is.  If he's a qb who is legit worth the 1st overall pick, you can't pass that by, certainly not for Josh Rosen. 

I wouldn't be too hard on Rosen. Bradford was even worse than he was. The Cards were a terrible team with lane cones for an offensive line. Honestly if I were them I'd pray for one of the QB needy teams to fall in love with Murray and give you a monster package for the top pick. 

2 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

Don't pick Jay Cutler as your backup, maybe display better judgement?

Okay Confucius.

1 hour ago, briantw said:

I mean, I definitely think that skill can override height.  We've seen it done before.  But at the same time, there's just not a lot of examples of successful QBs under six feet.  You've got Russell Wilson and that's pretty much it.

As for Mayfield, he measured in at 6'0 5/8" at the Combine, so he's pretty much 6'1.  Tried to google Brees' numbers but the first few links didn't give me anything concrete so I gave up.

Honestly that's not the place to quibble over an inch or two. :P

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

Fake News! Tua will still be the likely favorite to go first overall.

He may well.  Especially if the team with the first overall pick that year is a team that gets early picks on a frequent basis because they keep screwing them up.

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4 minutes ago, Bronn Stone said:

He may well.  Especially if the team with the first overall pick that year is a team that gets early picks on a frequent basis because they keep screwing them up.

Finally not us!

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Tua will be available next year.  

Trevor Lawrence won’t be available until two years from now.

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I wonder if Goff's remarkable improvement from Y1 to Y2 makes someone like Rosen look more salvageable?  Not sure.  Rosen didn't look great this year but the team was indeed shit overall.  Their run game was atrocious.  Everyone knew Rosen was throwing every time he threw.  He did drop the occasional dime showing off that special throwing ability, but he had plenty of bad decisions.  Time will tell.  I do like Murray and see so many parallels to Wilson, but that would indeed be a shocking move if they dumped Rosen that quickly.

Thoughts and predictions for the weekend:

Indy @ KC

Indy and Luck are back in a major way and look dangerous now and in the future.  They actually might have been able to parlay these two years in the wilderness into building up the roster a bit.  But despite KC's shaky post-season history I have to go with KC here thinking that they can just outscore Indy if nothing else.

Dallas @ LAR

While Dallas was much improved down the stretch and LA showed some chinks in the armor I think it's really unlikely that Dallas can come out of here with a win.

LAC @ New England

It's easy to look at New England with a bye and being at home in the playoffs and just think they're the heavy favorite.  And certainly they ought to be favored.  But on paper I think the Chargers are as good as or better than New England and got a little unlucky being behind KC in the division.  I give Philip a shot at pulling off the upset here.  

Philly @ New Orleans

Very nice run by Philly to get to this place given where they were, but let's be honest:  they should have lost a low-scoring game @ Chicago.  They have the least chance by far of winning this weekend, and it would indeed be shocking if the Saints lost this game.

If I must make picks I go with KC, LAR, LAC, and NO.  

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Things go from bad to worse for the Steelers with the hiring of Teryl Austin to help their secondary. He had the Bengals defense playing at a historically bad level before getting fired mid-season. Especially our CB’s (who are all 1st rounders). 

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Just now, Nictarion said:

Things go from bad to worse for the Steelers with the hiring of Teryl Austin to help their secondary. He had the Bengals defense playing at a historically bad level before getting fired mid-season. Especially our CB’s (who are all 1st rounders). 

Hopefully his insider knowledge will help determine when Tyler Eifert is and isn't on IR for 60% of the season.

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10 minutes ago, Triskele said:

I'm amending my pick to say that Indy with their o-line in the snow finds a way to do the upset in KC.  

I never bet against Andy Reid choking away a playoff game.

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