MoonKnight21 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Heres my list of grieviences: 1) the Dothraki and Unsullied essentially wiped out - used a fodder to protect Westerosi folk? 2) I expected something more poetic and I expected a fight sequence with atleast 1 WW a la Hardome. I mean we are led to believe that these guys are so badass but not 1 lifted a sword. 3) Im not too bummed about Arya finishing the NK but kinda feel like what was the point of Jons storyline: Lyanna Stark-Rhaegar union, Azor ahai and tptwp - it all seems for nothing 4) the suddeness and unexpected way in which the NK got taken out leads us to believe that the endgame (haha, see what I did there?) Is infact the IT and Cercei - when the storytelling has been to push that the NK & co was the bigger threat 5) For a show & book that kills off major characters without hesitation, too many of the main characters survived this. 6) the whole NKs aim is wanting Bran was too rushed for me. In the last episode we were just told that this is his aim instead of been shown it. It feels a little superficial and audiences arent stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neds Secret Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Le Cygne said: Indeed. The show is not even spoiling the show that used to be, that's been forgotten. They are writing for themselves, and it shows. novels? what novels? is this show based on a book? weird! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Sinister Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 And one other thing... So undead Wun-Wun's attack strategy is basically battering ram everyone into oblivion, until he runs into the Sweetheart of the North, Lyanna Mormont. Then his strategy is pick her up (crushing her based on the sound effects) and eat her??? I guess all that killing makes an undead giant hungry. Or was he bringing her up close, so he could whisper something in her ear before he flung her over the castle walls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dance with Davos Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 What a mixed bag of an episode. On the one hand I did like the action. Switching ones brain off and asking no questions certainly will boost the overall enjoyment of this feature length battle. Outside of the awful lighting you can't fault the visuals and action. but I suppose struggling to see certainly is a major flaw, so...there is that. I'd given up on plot a long time ago and was looking forward to this season, cause it was all about the action. This episode started out strong, but it soon started to suffer. An overall lack of death seems to be a major issue. Characters dying doesn't automatically make for a good episode, but when death is at the door, you certainly expect people to die. Brienne, Gilly, Davos, Varys, Tormund, Pod, Sam and Greyworm all could've gotten the chop. I mean some of these characters have been twiddling their thumbs for a while now and have had nothing to do. I'm not saying they all should've died, but when was the last time Varys did anything? The logistics of Arya's NK assassination aside, I must thank Melisande for the not so subtle reminder of the prophecy that Arya will kill "blue eyes". Talk about spoilers. Anyway for those wondering about how she got past all the WWs, I saw someone make an excellent point: The episode was so dark, not even the WWs could see Arya coming. Melisandre's death...ok? Bye. Theon's death. I don't understand how people can write scenes like that. All they had to was have the WWs attack him and it wouldn't have felt like he could've lived. The distinct lack of people in the hallways of Winterfell. Would it have been so hard to have a few people running down corridors and fighting in the background? Can Bran please do something? He's so useless and weird, they should've just killed him. Those are my main issues. I am interested to see how the last 3 episodes play out. I don't think the finale is gonna be Cersei against the rest. Missandei and Greyworm said they wanted to return to Essos and Jorah just died. So Danerys seemingly has 0 people who want her on the Throne, so it will be interesting to see how that develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonKnight21 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Razha said: So I guess according to D&D the entire Rhaegar + Lyanna, PTWP story was just meaningless waste of time? Rhaegar was just an idiot in love, and his affair with Lyanna just serves as a setup for Jon/Dany conflict and has nothing to do with the others ? I honestly believe that they realised that some readers & viewers sensed who TPTWP was and decided to change the story line half way - and its showing that its not well thought out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatty83 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Did Bran just want a good view of the battle, what was the point of him warging into a raven and then just flying to the roof only to come back with nothing achieved at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordee Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 What a complete letdown! As others have said, 8 seasons of build up for the NK and army of the dead for nothing. No payoff at all just Arya the "badass bitch". No flaming sword created by plunging into the heart of Nissa Nissa, no Bran powers finally revealed and unleashed, no sort of reveal of who the NK was, no NK flying south to KL while part of his army attacks WF, no teamwork to take down the white walkers and whittle down their portion of the army of undead. DAMN! The fight with the dead should have spanned 2 episodes. There was so much cool shit to explore there. I know people cheered when Arya killed the NK but her character has been dead (to me anyway) since her season 6 stroll through Braavos. She's been a smug little goblin, devoid of any of the qualities that made her my favorite character for 5 seasons before that. I am so disappointed in this show right now. Last night, as soon as she left Mel and The Hound, I got the sinking feeling she was going to be the one who killed the NK. My fears were realized in the most cringey and hackey way. This is kind of therapeutic to put my disappointment into words. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 5 hours ago, of man and wolf said: even if the NK couldnt die by fire, why couldnt you just have drogon swoop down after and just like crush him in his jaws or something? That;s an interesting point, it certainly would have been worth a try. Maybe the dragons had already had it with all the snow tornadoes? They didn't dare try the ultimate Ice Pop, NK. Hey, hahaha,, that works in more ways than one, if you think about it. The NK was the Pop of all the Ice, and a possibly snack that the dragons thought might just be a bit too cold to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neds Secret Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, MoonKnight21 said: Heres my list of grieviences: 1) the Dothraki and Unsullied essentially wiped out - used a fodder to protect Westerosi folk? 2) I expected something more poetic and I expected a fight sequence with atleast 1 WW a la Hardome. I mean we are led to believe that these guys are so badass but not 1 lifted a sword. 3) Im not too bummed about Arya finishing the NK but kinda feel like what was the point of Jons storyline: Lyanna Stark-Rhaegar union, Azor ahai and tptwp - it all seems for nothing 4) the suddeness and unexpected way in which the NK got taken out leads us to believe that the endgame (haha, see what I did there?) Is infact the IT and Cercei - when the storytelling has been to push that the NK & co was the bigger threat 5) For a show & book that kills off major characters without hesitation, too many of the main characters survived this. 6) the whole NKs aim is wanting Bran was too rushed for me. In the last episode we were just told that this is his aim instead of been shown it. It feels a little superficial and audiences arent stupid. Kind of leads one to ask if the NK was only after Bran? would he have been happy to stop at Winterfell after he had got Bran? Is Bran secretly a villain having set all these people up to protect him, and him alone, if the NK was after Bran and only Bran. It may have saved thousands of lives if they had of just dropped bran off up beyond the wall to appease the NK! the thing is, and I actually like Bran, that the way this show has been presented to us then sacrificing Bran makes a lot if sense, but only because we have no idea what the NKs true motivation is and though I am being a little Ironic in suggesting to just give Bran up, but a hell of a lot of people died unnecessarily if the NK just wanted Bran, which is how it was made to look by the NKs actions in this episode. In short, it was bad storytelling, presented impressively with a really feel good climax, that leaves one extremely unfulfilled when all the plot holes and unanswered questions springs to mind. This show, man, it really could have been something spectacular, it started that way, it had the potential, and yet this is what it evolved into . such a damn shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Deleted] Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Coffeewiththegods said: What in the world did I just witness? It was so laughable at the end. Jon’s plan being to just yell at the undead dragon. Well, Jon is Dragonborn. Maybe he was trying to use the Thu'um. At this point, no stupid thing D&D could come up with would surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Faera said: Late to the rant and rave but... yeah. This episode started strong but by the end was just stupid. I've yet to formulate thoughts beyond cringing. Actually, that's kind of how I feel. I'm having a hard time because, honestly, I'm shocked it was so terrible. This was hyped as the battle of all battles (one of the few things they are supposed to be good at), and it was just a horrifying mess that was entirely too hard to see. I'm still kinda stuck cringing, other than a few thoughts. I don't even want to rewatch, not really, it was just a bit too long of a dark mess. It was the worst battle visuals they've ever done, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dance with Davos Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Neds Secret said: Kind of leads one to ask if the NK was only after Bran? would he have been happy to stop at Winterfell after he had got Bran? Is Bran secretly a villain having set all these people up to protect him, and him alone, if the NK was after Bran and only Bran. It may have saved thousands of lives if they had of just dropped bran off up beyond the wall to appease the NK! the thing is, and I actually like Bran, that the way this show has been presented to us then sacrificing Bran makes a lot if sense, but only because we have no idea what the NKs true motivation is and though I am being a little Ironic in suggesting to just give Bran up, but a hell of a lot of people died unnecessarily if the NK just wanted Bran, which is how it was made to look by the NKs actions in this episode. In short, it was bad storytelling, presented impressively with a really feel good climax, that leaves one extremely unfulfilled when all the plot holes and unanswered questions springs to mind. This show, man, it really could have been something spectacular, it started that way, it had the potential, and yet this is what it evolved into . such a damn shame Totally agree, I mentioned this a few posts ago. With all the information we have as viewers the most logical solution to this whole issue would be to kill Bran. Bran brings nothing to the table, but if captured will cause an endless night? Where's Stannis when you need him? He'd be up for killing the kid. Its not like Bran is Bran anymore as well. I am hoping there is still some kind of late game reveal, cause it just makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 It's funny to look back on S1 and compare it to now. Everyone has become a super powerful fighter, borderline invincible, slaying dozens upon dozens of enemies, taking on 100s at a time. Seriously, wtf are we going to do for 3 80 minute episodes now? Who cares able Cersei? How is she even a threat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 So what, Lyanna and Rhaegar just had Jon because they wanted to bang? There is nothing special about Jon? He came back to life... to stand by while Arya, Ninja Turtle fell down from the sky and ended the short night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Coffeewiththegods said: What in the world did I just witness? It was so laughable at the end. Jon’s plan being to just yell at the undead dragon. LOLOL No, I'm going with he was trying to tame UnDead Viserion. It was almost like Dany in Daznak's Pit, just minus the whip. Ok, it was probably a suicide run, but I'm going with he finally decided to try and train a dragon the hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Deleted] Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Lady Fevre Dream said: Actually, that's kind of how I feel. I'm having a hard time because, honestly, I'm shocked it was so terrible. This was hyped as the battle of all battles (one of the few things they are supposed to be good at), and it was just a horrifying mess that was entirely too hard to see. I'm still kinda stuck cringing, other than a few thoughts. I don't even want to rewatch, not really, it was just a bit too long of a dark mess. It was the worst battle visuals they've ever done, I think. In an even larger sense, this horrifying mess was the climax of a story 10 years in the making (or 20 years if you're going by the books). The very first scene of Game of Thrones introduces us to the Others and shows them to be a real, if mysterious, threat. As time has gone on, we've seen more and more of them, and they've always been this kind of vague threat just lurking on the periphary of the political story. But they were always there, and they were always coming. Then, they finally break through the wall after thousands of years, and..... They make it as far as Winterfell? They lasted 3 episodes south of the Wall, after being hyped up for literally decades. What the hell was the point of the Others? Why were they even in the story, if their only purpose was "bad just to be bad"? No motivation, no history, no explanation, just show up and get destroyed? It makes zero sense in a storytelling context. Absolutely zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Just now, Le Cygne said: So what, Lyanna and Rhaegar just had Jon because they wanted to bang? There is nothing special about Jon? He came back to life... to stand by while Arya, Ninja Turtle fell down from the sky and ended the short night. It's pretty interesting to note how the early set-up from R/L to the Azor Ahai prophecy to the Others has basically been abandoned and thrown-in here as limply as possible. I think it's quite clear they gave up a long time ago. I think they just liked the Red Wedding and wanted to put that 'shocking' scene on-screen, and that was the extent of their interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Snormund said: •Arya is kicking ass for a while, and then inexplicably is overcome with fear. Arya, the stone cold assassin who doesn’t fear death, suddenly decides she does, in fact, fear undead ice zombies and transports herself into a horror movie segment. She’s met by The Hound (who also inexplicably is overcome with fear and fleeing) and Beric (accompanying the Hound for no other discernible reason than moral support), and they run into a big room where Beric dies of wounds sustained in the fight. Mel reappears, angry that she was disturbed after finally finding a room with good WiFi, but decides to give Arya encouragement, because Arya suddenly needs to be reminded to be brave. We are set up to believe that Arya, The Hound and Mel are going to have a stand against a bunch of the NK’s goons, but we never see this. Somehow, Arya escapes out of a super secret passageway and Mel and The Hound later emerge unscathed. Maybe Mel flashed her tits at the wights and distracted them. It’d make as much sense as anything else. Very miffed I didn’t get to see Mel incinerate some of the wights and/or white walkers in a showdown with Arya and the Hound giving her cover. haha, I don't know if you watched the Inside the Episode edition, but according to Benioff it's because she hit her head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lady Fevre Dream said: Actually, that's kind of how I feel. I'm having a hard time because, honestly, I'm shocked it was so terrible. This was hyped as the battle of all battles (one of the few things they are supposed to be good at), and it was just a horrifying mess that was entirely too hard to see. I'm still kinda stuck cringing, other than a few thoughts. I don't even want to rewatch, not really, it was just a bit too long of a dark mess. It was the worst battle visuals they've ever done, I think. It was really cringey. The surprising thing was just how bad it was. I at least thought they might have a semi-coherent battle. It makes you appreciate how nicely done was GRRM's Blackwater script. He set up the stakes, focused on essentials. They just threw a bunch of stuff at the wall. And made up the stakes, and focused on their creatively we wanted it to happen nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockroi Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 I just have to get this one thing off my chest: Two weeks ago, I made a gag conversation between the two D’s on how they would murder George R R Martin’s fantasy series and I described how lame Arya was in the first few moments of the season-opener and how it was because they either have Arya do these AMAZING things or she’s doing nothing Here is EXACTLY what I wrote: 1 Quote D: God, this episode practically writes itself! Okay, now, everyone looks up to the sky and suddenly two huge monstrous figures appear; for the first time in 200 years, the people of Winterfell see a Dragon… but this time its TWO dragons!!!! People explode in terror and panic – as they would because Dragons are fucking scary -so Arya looks up and … D: I don’t think I need to say another word – she jumps in the air and slices one of their (the Dragon’s) heads off! Because its Arya and she at 12 was able to fight Brienne of Tarth to stand-still and somehow had the ability to kill an entire house by poisoning one barrel of wine without anyone suspecting a thing! Because that’s good character development! D: I was thinking that instead – and don’t get me wrong, Arya could absolutely kill a Dragon … So… called it. Arya killed a fucking dragon. She did it by killing the Night King (with absolutely no set up whatsoever), but she did it. Because the show is now only out to satisfy the fans and not tell an actual story. Its simply to give the fans a pay-off. Anyway… What I Liked: They Do This Well: The one thing GoT does really well by – not character development; not story crafting; certainly not writing – the one thing the show does well now is they can put on a fantastic battle. And this battle was completely insane – and generally in a good way. The battle was shown in a pretty great style as we followed major characters and watched them battle back the forces of the Night. I thought there was real tension in everything done; there were very interesting moments with many characters. The show knows how to put on a battle. That should not be praise-worthy at this point. Jorah the Andal: So, its no secret that Iain Glen is a complete stud; he was excellent in Downton Abbey and then he rocks it as Jorah Mormont. Mormont on the show is steady, resilient, deathly serious and a fucking monster. One of the most pathetic moments in the show’s history (and there are many) was how they killed off Barristan Selmy (basically he died of causes related to the show not knowing what the fuck to do with him). And that was a huge disappointment. Not so with Mormont. I think it was safe to say that Jorah was 75% dead, but he went out as he was – a knight who protected his liege lord. In this case, Dany Targaryen, the woman he always loved. And I thought his final scenes- wielding Valyrian steel at all threats in defense of Dany - was glorious. Also, nice touch that Glen never spoke a line in English (he only spoke Dothrakai). Kind of love that. The Starks of Winetrfell: Pretty obvious; everyone called it, but I liked that the dead in the crypts came to life. Nice touch. Alfie Allen: Not so much Theon, but the actor Allen played Theon great; he was able to put in enough subtlety between Theon “the tortured soul” to Theon “the recovering.” The pieces between he and Bran were good and I liked that Bran tells Theon what he needed to hear his whole life and what Balon, Ned, Ramsey and even his sister failed to say to him – that he was a good man. Still a Better Love Story Than Twilight: While it was sort of the ONLY thing they could have done down in the crypt, I liked the small moment between Tyrion and Sansa; basically two abused and destroyed people about to die who share the only thing they could ever have given to the other – their devotion and humanity. Two great actors given nothing to do, but they made the most of it. What I am on the Fence About: What is Dead Will Never … No… Wait… Lot Less Dead People Than We Thought: So, here is my death count from what should have been one of the most gruesome and horrifying battles in the history of televised fake combat. Okay, now, we had THOUGHT that the Night King, Last Battle, Always Winter, end of the world, etc would have had more than a few major character deaths. NOPE! Going down the list-: Jorah Mormont- major character;Theon Greyjoy- secondary character,Melisandre - , major character who was so important this season we had never seen her before this episode;Edd- third-level character who, while cute, is not driving the story;Bedric Dondarion - third level character who we NEVER cared about;Lyanna Mormont - died fulfilling the prophecy of fan-service. (more on that train wreck later) 9,230 people we don’t give a shit about So… not that bad. I thought this was going to be a grueling battle where all of our wills are tested; where Brienne dies; Pod, maybe even Jaime or even Dany! Instead? Like 2 characters I ever gave a shit about. If I had had to make a list of “Characters I am Totally Okay in Losing” Bedric Dondarion and Lyanna Mormont would have been 1-2 EASY! BUT… I like that they did not just murder characters to try to advance the story or make it seem more important than it was. I Can Write Dialog For the Show Now: For the third time in three weeks, I completely anticipated dialog because the show is not creative. Arya gives Sansa a dagger and Sansa says the stupidest thing ever even though she’s supposed to be the smartest character Arya has as ever met. So Arya can say the “stick-them-with-the-pointy-end” line. Ugh… subtle… What I Hated: Strap in. The Night is Dark and … No Its Actually Just REALLY DARK! The show can only do so much with the largest TV budget fucking ever. So, in order to cut corners etc an INORDINATE amount of battles in Westeroes just so happen to occur at night or in inclement weather; this is to obscure details so that poor CGI can’t be so noticeable; it also confuses the viewer so massive continuity errors and spacing problems are lost; and it is a cheap way to add tension. But last night, GoT fucked itself because NOBODY SAW THE STUPID BATTLE! There are multiple stories out there wherein fans could not see what was going on. Just to reiterate- this is the most popular show in the history of cable TV; it has the largest operating budget ever in the history of TV. So these numbnuts made an episode nobody could see. Again, it’s the WHY the frustrates me. I could excuse it if GoT was not a huge budget monstrosity; but these fuckers have $15 mil PER EPISODE and they could not scrape together a few bucks so that, you know, PEOPLE COULD SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON?!?!? And the answer was- as stated before – probably “No!” The show is not made well; there is uber CGI that they do not want to refine; its easier to cut corners if its really dark out and there is stuff blowing around so nobody can see shit. Because they did it on purpose. That’s why it's frustrating. Once Again the Good Guys Are Saved From Themselves: Battle of the Bastards is a classic example of the winning side doing everything wrong and then winning in the end because, well, reasons. So the Battle of Winterfell just upped the ante on “We Won Because We Are Fucking Idiots.” Here is how the battle started – “Let's take all of our troops and lets put them OUTSIDE the walls of the castle…. Now I know, I know, ‘But castles are the bedrock of defense and safety in our society since before the First Men…. Blah blah blah’ No, see instead we put our best fighters OUTSIDE so that way they can fight … in the open… with no protection… and with no defenses…” “THEN we take our cavalry – traditionally the most valuable and expensive portion of the Army – and we … wait for it … CHARGE BLINDLY INTO AN ENEMY WE CANNOT SEE!!!! Because its brilliant! They will get fucking annihilated! It makes LITERAL NO SENSE! But it will be super dramatic! “THEN we will have these massive walls and defend them with like 6 people. Not the THOUSANDS we have below NO! No, we will have like Hot Pie up there. It will be glorious. Then Sandor Clegane will pee his pants because that’s what he does and in no way redeem himself. Because reasons. A Song of Fanservice: But at the heart of this episode was the desperate need to please. The clawing, desperate, sad and sappy need to “give the fans what they want.” So, you get that scene with Laynna Mormont wherein a 8…9 year old girl is crished by a giant- she should have been terrified beyond words; she has her chest caved in by … a fucking ZOMBIE GIANT! And so what happens next? Oh, she stabs it in the eye with her weapon with her dying breath. Because of course she does. The Giant hit her first so that should have alone broken every bone in her body. But, no, no she is able to, you know, kill the zombie giant. Fuck us all hard. Then, as stated above, nobody actually dies. This should have been the episode where some of our favorites were finally culled from the heard. Instead, pretty much everyone lives. Because we don’t want to make the fans sad. And then … oh fuck me… Arya… Arya is one of the most popular characters on the show – so much so that the show makes her succeed at EVERYTHING! I have said that she is basically a Jedi now and the show NEVER gives any evidence to the contrary. I have NO PROBLEM with her fighting in the middle part of the episode. Completely appropriate. I also have no problem with her scared to death of zombies in the library … even though like 5 minutes earlier we saw her kill like 80 of them. But … the Night King. Holy High Horse Shit. So, at the tail end of the episode, we see the Night King bad-ass it into Winterfell. Jon Snow thinks he has the drop on the Night King so he starts to run at him from behind. At that moment, the Night King slows, stops and then knowingly looks over his shoulder to eye Jon Snow. The Night King SENSED Jon Snow coming from what looked to be half a football field away. So the Night King has super-sensory abilities. God it. Until 15 minutes later when Arya- somehow – does a Jon McClain, jumps from … somewhere … onto the Night King who was only alerted about it at that exact instant. All the other White Walkers and wights just stand around like fucking morons and none of them see, sense, hear, smell or catch any hint of the ONLY OTHER LIVING PERSON IN THAT GODSWOOD! So, again, 15 minutes earlier, Night King can sense Jon Snow from 50 years; now, in Godswood, dumb as a stump. And the fact that it just HAD to be Arya. It just HAD to be. Because D&D wanted to give that to the fans. Not sensible outcomes; not clever plot twists; not strategic thinking that makes sense. No. No, just give the fans what makes them feel good. Arya a-stabbin’. It made no sense; was not well thought out; was not properly set-up; it was not crafty, interesting, smart, intelligent or gritty. Its just that fans like Arya so D&D gave the fans what they wanted. The thought process is that she had suffered enough and the fans wanted to see a moment like that. I have no doubt that had Game of Thrones – the book – stopped at Baelor and with Ned on the block and D&D came in to write a show (but did not have the books to draw from) BELIEVE ME we would have seen Ned with his head on the block JUST IN TIME for Robb to ride in on his army of wolves with Nymeria, Grey Wind, and, I don’t know, Rhaegar’s Ghost, swoop in and save Ned and there would have been D&D saying, “We just thought that Robb had suffered enough and we wanted him to be the one to rescue Ned… its what the fans wanted!” And fans would have cheered; the internet would have been abuzz with cheers … and it still would have sucked. Don’t give fans “what they want.” Give the fans smart and interesting stories with deep and real characters doing things that make us think; have the conflicts be sensible and true and have the outcomes be hard fought and logical. Don’t just give us little girls with Dragonglass who kill zombie giants and Night Kings. Because that is fucking stupid. (Honorable Mention To Stupidity – Whenever anyone else hits a wright or Walker with Dragoinglass they shatter; when Arya needed to be super-sneaky they just die. Glad that Dragonglass’ operating system knows the difference) The Real Enemy Was Hate All Along… No Wait, the Real Enemy Was Cersei: So all this to lead up to a showdown with a crazy queen and her lying pirate boyfriend? Seems a little anti-climactic given that the winning side has two dragons and Cersei is stuck with, you know, Cersei. All in all an incredibly disappointing episode that many are cheering as a triumph. So, its the perfect epitome of this show- something that is not great but most people don't know any better at this point. As long as they are happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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