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14 hours ago, SeanF said:

Every character became implausible,and actions stopped having consequences.  Even in Season 6, Arya could be stabbed in the stomach, fall into filthy water, and get better after a night's sleep.

Anyone in Dany's position would have flattened the Red Keep the moment they reached Westeros, and no one would condemn her for it.  No one would criticise a commander in the modern world who used a drone or bomber to destroy a military target, so why would someone with a dragon in a medieval world be expected to operate differently?  All the military strategies became stupid beyond belief.

And, Cersei ought to have been toast, after murdering half the nobility, the equivalent of the Pope and Cardinals, and hundreds of the Smallfolk.  But, nobody minded apart from Olenna Tyrell.  

The awfulness of Season 8 can't be addressed, without going back to the awfulness of Season 7 and beyond.  Every character became a plot point, either forgetting things they had done or knew about in earlier episodes, or becoming uncharacteristically stupid, or being given incredible plot armour.

In a sense, the ending was irrelevant, given the sheer randomness of how they got to it.

Agree completely. None of it made sense - in fact, the rot was discernible quite early on (season 4 in my view). But yes, it became laughably worse each season. I do think that the ending may have been a shade better if they'd fulfilled the shit they set up themselves such as Dany being a hero and winning the throne (every single 'badass' scene she had was portrayed as heroic before S8). But yeah, no amount of effort could've salvaged this shitshow by the end. 

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3 hours ago, Crixus said:

Agree completely. None of it made sense - in fact, the rot was discernible quite early on (season 4 in my view). But yes, it became laughably worse each season. I do think that the ending may have been a shade better if they'd fulfilled the shit they set up themselves such as Dany being a hero and winning the throne (every single 'badass' scene she had was portrayed as heroic before S8). But yeah, no amount of effort could've salvaged this shitshow by the end. 

Linda Antonsson said the show began to die with Dany's Qarth plot in Season 2, and it's hard to disagree.  The plot is nonsense, and showed what the two D's would do, when writing original material.

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That is a really good point @SeanF. Qarth was a bad joke - seemed like a third rate periodcostumeexoticsoftporn sidebar. I think the only thing they really took from the books was the Qartheen dress with one breast bared :D 

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disagree completely on qarth : i had not read the books in 2012 and that scene was one of my favourite scenes and now we can look back on it and its become clear  that those things that comprised her ending  were foreshadowed in dany's story and were there from the beginning ( the writers have also said this) a wrecked throne room and kings landing , absent life and ruined, covered in either snow or ash ( iassumed it was snow from winter and the others, a pity it didnt happen) her being close to gaining the throne but failing to be queen of westeros, rather passing on and seeing her first love and unborn child in the afterlife and finally going north beyond the wall. All things that came to pass, regardless of the manner in which they wrote them. The music ramin djawadi wrote is fantastic, eerie, mystical, and very appropriate, the camera work is great, over all its still one of my favourite scene from GOT. Yes the book scene would have been better but i dont think they could have done it from a budgetary POV at the time and the wolfs head needed to be cut anyway other wise it would spoil too much, and as there were things there that didnt even happen in the series, its probably best they went a different route. Something i wouldnt mind at all in regard to the major beats and the ending, if they had come up with a different resolution as long as it was good and believable , it would at least not spoil the books storylines... for instance i would love to see stannis victorious in the north and facing a conquering targaryen army lead by dany and the hellish hordes of essos. 

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I thought Qarth had some real cheesy moments. It didn't feel like a lived-in world at all. Emilia's acting was bad. Xaro's lines were bad. The scene where the dragons burn "through" Dany to kill the evil warlock was cheesy as hell and we had a huge laugh at that. But yeah, looking back, I do think the foreshadowings were on point and agree with you @MelisandresBurningPanties (lmao your name is :rofl:).

Dany locking Xaro and Doreah up in that vault to starve to death was an effective addition to the "should we cheer or be worried?" It's a fist pumping moment but is also kinda disturbing. Just like with Mirri in the books, Dany didn't ask any questions before she doled out another punishment (Doreah was a sex slave who could have been coerced for all she knows).

I think by S5 folks should have realized that the "Dany fist pumping scenes" are not sustainable. That only happens on Xena: Warrior Princess.

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On 3/30/2021 at 5:16 PM, MelisandresBurningPanties said:

disagree completely on qarth : i had not read the books in 2012 and that scene was one of my favourite scenes and now we can look back on it and its become clear  that those things that comprised her ending  were foreshadowed in dany's story and were there from the beginning ( the writers have also said this) a wrecked throne room and kings landing , absent life and ruined, covered in either snow or ash ( iassumed it was snow from winter and the others, a pity it didnt happen) her being close to gaining the throne but failing to be queen of westeros, rather passing on and seeing her first love and unborn child in the afterlife and finally going north beyond the wall. All things that came to pass, regardless of the manner in which they wrote them. The music ramin djawadi wrote is fantastic, eerie, mystical, and very appropriate, the camera work is great, over all its still one of my favourite scene from GOT. Yes the book scene would have been better but i dont think they could have done it from a budgetary POV at the time and the wolfs head needed to be cut anyway other wise it would spoil too much, and as there were things there that didnt even happen in the series, its probably best they went a different route. Something i wouldnt mind at all in regard to the major beats and the ending, if they had come up with a different resolution as long as it was good and believable , it would at least not spoil the books storylines... for instance i would love to see stannis victorious in the north and facing a conquering targaryen army lead by dany and the hellish hordes of essos. 

I disagree about the foreshadowing.  D & D  had no idea of what the ending would be when they made Season 2.  They only came up with the idea of Jon killing Dany after filming Season 3 (granted, they're probably unreliable commentators).  The context of Dany going beyond the Wall in Season 7 is quite different, nor do Drogo or her unborn child play any further part in the tale.  Back in 2012, the general view was that the throne room scene foreshadowed the Others having reached Kings Landing and bringing snow.

I'll explain what I disliked about the Qarth plot.  Qarth is really weird and mysterious in the books, the people obsessed with pointless etiquette, and nothing is what it seems, and Dany's visions in the H o D are open to more than one interpretation.  Granted, it could probably have been dealt with in two or three episodes, but they could have moved on to ASOS.  Little of that weirdness and mystery appeared in the show.  The two D's disliked the supernatural elements of the books.  What we got instead was (a) pointless conflict, Dany and the Spice King mouthing off at each other (b) a nod to the books that went nowhere (Quaithe)(c) plot holes (Dany's people are murdered in one episode, revived a couple of episodes later, Xaro apparently has no palace guards) (d) unexplained changes in character (Doreah goes from BFF with Dany to a traitor for no reason).  It showed what the two D's would do once they started writing original material.

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6 hours ago, SeanF said:

D & D  had no idea of what the ending would be when they made Season 2.  They only came up with the idea of Jon killing Dany after filming Season 3 (granted, they're probably unreliable commentators).  

GRRM said D&D know some of the ending for the main characters before that. In a 2011 interview with Hibberd, he assures fans that D&D know the ending of the mains "in case he gets hit by a truck."

It sounds like the show was his insurance policy for that from the very start.

So by S2 that HotU scene could be written if they knew "she destroys KL, doesn't get the throne, dies." "Snow or ash?" is a successful way to misdirect fans from ever thinking Dany would do something like that and inspired it's own speculation/misdirection, just like the books. Then I suppose he gave them more details in S3.  

I doubt they came up with Jon killing Dany on their own. There are textual and thematic hints toward that and it's been a popular fan theory for years. Plus, I can't think of anything fitting Aemon's speech better than Jon making a hard choice between killing his lover or Dany killing his family. Whether or not to save his family from threats has always been his conflict in every book and this was the hardest one.

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2 hours ago, Rose of Red Lake said:

GRRM said D&D know some of the ending for the main characters before that. In a 2011 interview with Hibberd, he assures fans that D&D know the ending of the mains "in case he gets hit by a truck."

It sounds like the show was his insurance policy for that from the very start.

So by S2 that HotU scene could be written if they knew "she destroys KL, doesn't get the throne, dies." "Snow or ash?" is a successful way to misdirect fans from ever thinking Dany would do something like that and inspired it's own speculation/misdirection, just like the books. Then I suppose he gave them more details in S3.  

I doubt they came up with Jon killing Dany on their own. There are textual and thematic hints toward that and it's been a popular fan theory for years. Plus, I can't think of anything fitting Aemon's speech better than Jon making a hard choice between killing his lover or Dany killing his family. Whether or not to save his family from threats has always been his conflict in every book and this was the hardest one.

It's possible, but it isn't one of the three "Holy Shit" moments.  Or, maybe they thought it was less significant to the plot than the origin of Hodor's nickname, or the fate of Shireen.  I would not put that past them.  They pulled things out of their arses, though.

I'm not convinced that Jon will even be capable of love, following resurrection in the books.  Death and resurrection takes quite a lot away from a person.  I think that any relationship between him and Dany will be a transactional one.

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I don't know how I'd end it.  I wouldn't do half measures like tweaking season 8 though, everything after season 4 would have to be scrapped and rewritten, and we'd do Feast and Dance proper (3 seasons). Then we'd start looking at where this all ends.

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On 4/3/2021 at 11:50 PM, Rose of Red Lake said:

I thought Qarth had some real cheesy moments. It didn't feel like a lived-in world at all. Emilia's acting was bad. Xaro's lines were bad. The scene where the dragons burn "through" Dany to kill the evil warlock was cheesy as hell and we had a huge laugh at that. But yeah, looking back, I do think the foreshadowings were on point and agree with you @MelisandresBurningPanties (lmao your name is :rofl:).

 

Agree, except all Emilia needs are posters with pictures of Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal. LOST: Three hatchling dragons. REWARD: Lock in vault with XXD. And yes, @MelisandresBurningPanties name is funny. 

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